Forget vBulletin 4, wait for UBB.threads 8.0. It is a total shame that Internet Brands had to jack up their prices with vBulletin 4, yet still charge extra for features such as blogs and a photo gallery. On the other hand, Rick Baker has lowered prices for UBB.threads. UBB.threads 8.0 will include blogs and a photo gallery at no additional cost. Internet Brands is all in it for your money!
I installed vBulletin for two clients and both clients hate it. We have been waiting for a response to a support issue for over a month. vBulletin initially responded to our support ticket with a question. We answered the question. Two weeks later we had to ping them again. They responded, asking the same question they asked the first time! We answered it again, and now another couple of weeks has gone by with no response.
I am looking for a replacement product for both clients.
vBulletin went down the toilet when Internet brands took over, they insulted the people that built up vBulletin to what it was in 2007 and insulted the developers that made what they have today.
Can't believe I got sucked into paying money for this. After many years on phpBB I thought the grass would be greener with a paid product.. how wrong I was.
I am currently on 4.0.5 (5th update of 4.0 series!) and still the search is utterly unpredictable and useless. Many critical bugs that are raised in the bug tracker are ignored in favor of adding in hacked up features (crap Facebook connect etc.) and the forum has turned bitter with many suggestions for help just directed to vbulletin.org (community modification forum).
If you are looking at forum software, by all means hold off until there is something better. They may claim there are a lot of VB4 installations out there.. but I would say most of them are users who got sucked in from the VB 3.x stream not realizing how 'beta' 4 was going to be.
vBulletin 4 is a complete pile of crap compared to vBulletin 3, Internet brands has made it worse than any free forum software, I'm sticking with vBulletin 3.
You have a right to free speech but that does not mean you have a right to be heard, and it also means that you can be removed from any forum without any retribution what so ever...
Seriously quit spamming UBB Threads. Way back when, UBB was standing still, producing a slow, inefficient product. vBulletin was created as a PHP/MySQL reworking of UBB. The folks at UBB passed when offered the code, so vBulletin was born. vBulletin quickly picked up all of UBB's customers and I'm surprised UBB even stayed in business. I don't know anyone who thinks UBB is a serious contender at this point.
UBB.threads is not the same Perl/Flat File-based UBB (later known as UBB.classic) of years past. UBB.threads uses PHP/MySQL. The fact is, vBulletin 4 is extremely buggy and overpriced, and I don't know why anyone would recommend it over UBB.threads, especially after UBB.threads 8.0 is released. UBB.threads 8 will include blogs and a photo gallery at no additional cost, all for less money than a standalone vBulletin 4 forum without blogs or a photo gallery. Internet Brands doesn't care for their customers, they only care about making a profit.
Unfortunately, what has caused the delay of UBB.threads 8 is that one of the developers (Scott Young) has passed away, and now Rick Baker has to complete where Scott left off. I can guarantee UBB.threads 8 will be the ideal forum software package.
He is not breaking the law since he has the freedom of speech to tell you to shut up and stop spamming. If he is not actively threatening to hurt you if you do not shut up or actively forcing you to stop talking then he is not violating the freedom of speech. And the freedom of speech still has it's limits you can't go into a crowded theater in the US and yell "fire" and say it was because you have the freedom of speech. If you do that you can still be arrested.
Plus this is an international forum so no one gives a damn that you live in the United States, because the US Constitution does not apply around the world...
And on top of all that, as with the movie theater example where their are limits, taking legal action against someone for saying this gives them the right to counter sue you for: hardship, extreme stupidy (asking for you to be sent to a mental institute to keep the world safe), and they can also sue you under the Can't Spam Act (which as you like to brag about so much is in the US laws too) that says you can be fined up to $19,000 for each person who you spam and you spam every person who views this thread which means you can probably be fined $1,900,000+ by now at least...
Everyone, this forum is there for giving your opinion about vBulletin 4 ONLY. We are not here to slur each other, or giving your own interpretation of American constitution, so please (try to) be constructive.
Good choice, You will not be disappointed, I use MyBB and i have never had a problem, Theming is easy redesigning is easy,a nd administrations is amazing, and there is such a huge index of plugins for everything you can think of.
Great to find out. I was planning on using myBB (because it's $200 cheaper) and was worried I wouldn't get as much quality as what comes with vBulletin. But now I know I save $200 and get higher quality. That's what I call a win-win.
I'm not planning to upgrade to vBulletin 4 after the bad things I've heard. And you have to pay full price to upgrade...
@Andros 1337: You know what you are? A UBB.threads fanboy. Get lost with posting everywhere that UBB.threads is great, since it isn't. A forum without a plugins system is fail.
I used SMF for years. Overall, I was very happy with SMF. I started with version 1, and ended with version 2.0 RC4.
The people that develop and support it are nice and helpful. - But - There are some reasons I switched to Vbulletin 4.0 a week ago.
Here is my experience, and thoughts, and then review of Vbulletin in my first week:
SMF and Vbulletin are the only two I would consider
SMF is nice, support people are good, when available, because it is free, and support is volunteers, you could be waiting several days
SMF lacks a lot of standard VBulletin features
SMF does have a lot of mods, but the mods are not monitored by SMF developers, so you are at your own risk, and because of this, many mods, cause problems with other mods, or cause problems with core SMF features. Many times the mod developer doesn't support his product, or does not care to respond, because most are free
VBulletin tests and checks all approved mods, even though you still can run into problems, at least they have "authorized mods" and you are not left with as much risk. For example, I came across one mod on SMF's mod list, and installed it, then found out, it was nothing more then a way for the MOd writer to SEO his own site, and a way to offer a back door for him into your site. I alerted SMF, and after they checked it, they removed it from their mod list
Vbulletin does charge you, but it includes a lot of features that SMF has to use 5-10 different mods to duplicate, like sitemap, advertising, side panels, CMS, etc just to name a few.
VBulletin support gets back to my within hours, not days or weeks
The support for Vbulletin authorized mods is awesome
Vbulletin is the #1 forum software used on most huge Forums, commercially or free
Vbulletin is clean, easy to use, and so common, users like it and know how to use it
I use Vbulletin just as it comes, with no MODS AT ALL!!!! It has all the features I want, and I don't have lots of aggravation with trying to sort out mod conflicts for basic features and options
SMF is easy to install, but when you have to upgrade, you lose all your mods, and have to reinstall them all, and hope for no conflicts or corruptions. On my SMF forum, I had like 25 mods, just to come close to what VBulletin offers. If you ran into a mod that you didn't like, most times it would not CLEANLY uninstall cause of other mods, and you had to go in and manually edit all the files and hope you got it right
Overall, in my first week of Vbulletin, I am very happy. Install was easy. Setup, I will admit, is way different then SMF and there is a learning curve. I set it up as a test forum, got all the settings to where I needed them to be, experimented, and learned, then switched it to live and disabled my current site.
I HIGHLY Recommend VBulletin. If you can't afford to do Vbulletin, then I HIGHLY recommend SMF.
As far as these other guys on here that recommend UBB.threads, try it, I do not agree, and it is a bad move. As Far as IP.Boards, they have a nice forum, but are crooks. They charge you the most money for all the features to make what VBulletin is already, and then want $105.00 every 6 months to support it!!!! Stay away from them. The cost is not worth what they offer.
Just to clear a few points about vBulletin - since you are so obviously misguided, as a light term.
vBulletin does NOT check, or approve any modifications.
vBulletin Sitemaps is querky, and isn't very efficient, nor is it completely reliable. CMS, don't even go there. I assume you've never visited the Licensed Customer Feedback forum. The CMS needs a hell of a lot of work on.
vBulletin support is very fast, unlike the pace of development etc.
vBulletin may not be the number 1 forum software. It is paid, and not free as you are insinuating.
vBulletin is somewhat of a headache for many administrators.
At this moment, I cannot completely recommend vBulletin, but I have hopes that the situation will improve.
I wouldn't recommend this software to anyone specially after 'ib' bought it. it has been around 20 months (more than a year and half) since vb4 released and it still buggy with over 1200 confirmed bug/over 2800 bug in total. the company that owns vb doesn't have a clue how to develop a bugfree software or how communicate with its customers. they are fllwing what it called agile develpment which proved its failure. not to mention the the price of this software which is not fair and vb doesn't worth that much of money in its current stat. keeping moving this way i'll give it two years to be in the bottom list of paid forum software. i also think in a year or two there will be a free forum that is much better than vb. vb bosses do not listen to their customers and they don't care about what they want and they only want to get money as soon as possible as much as possible and let customers go to hell, even if they say they're not, it is that way.
my guess vb is in the end of its life
sad
by Not Biased Just Educated (?), Mon April 25, 2011 17:47
I don't understand why there is so much defamation against UBB.threads. It is an ABSOLUTE FACT (not an opinion) that UBB.threads is a superior forum software package to vB4. vB4 is very buggy and unstable. Yes, I understand there have been delays with UBB.threads 8, however, a beta should probably be expected next month. What people should really learn is that UBB.threads is not the same old Perl/flat file UBB of years past, but is a fast and robust PHP/MySQL forum.
i don't have it but i think that if the don't give some lite version
base on the full version no one can know if its good or not
about the installing i expect from system like this to have good and friendly install system
every the free system have better install system .
i base this on the beta version i hope that on release version i hope its not the same
any way i cant say its perfect but for the price the are asking i think the are over rated
I own multiple websites on the VB CMS suite and I would trade them for nothing. I also purchased the mobile suite's for my sites and have 1000's of downloads between android and iPhone. Anyone trying to knock vB is ignorant. PERIOD. There are a million plugins available for vB and its not even close. The Top Message Boards around the world use VB. Just check the bigboard.com
As for the Anonymous guys whom are probably employees of one of the other platforms your only hurting yourselves with that envy!
Summary: If you aren't interested in writing articles or messing with the CMS then the package may be what you need. Many of the features and options you would expect from a Content Management System product are missing. vBulletins response when you inquire about such features is pretty standard "you can modify the code so it will do that, but we do not support modifications" I have quite a few bugs submitted since version 4.0 that have yet to be addressed concerning the CMS editor. For content use Wordpress, for a forum then I can recommend vbulletin.
The forums work although not without latent problems
I can't think of any others
Cons:
More bugs than in all of South America. CMS is worst thing if I have ever seen.
Company dresses up this pig to looks decent. Don't believe the "name." The company that created the software was bought by a new company
Most addons not compatible.
Summary:
The company that used to create this software is no longer in business. All the developers left and now the new company looks like it is hiring cheap labor in all different countries to create this big piece of junk. They promise they will fix this and that and new features and they never arrive. Everything has a price tag. The addons that are supposed to work are not supported. Worst investment ever. If you want better alternatives, I have found invisionboard and xenforo to be much better than this total garbage. The CMS is terrible. It doesn't look very good and using it is worse. It is almost impossible to get it to work properly and there are so many bugs. It is why most vbulletin sites don't use it at all.
Save your money. Don't ever buy from this company again. They took my money and now want to sell me another version of more junk without fixing what they sold. Since i bought there are hundreds of bad reviews of vBulletin and the new company that bought them, Internet Brands. They are all true. All of these people can't be wrong. My mistake, not again.
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Andros 1337 (?)
Forget vBulletin 4, wait for
Forget vBulletin 4, wait for UBB.threads 8.0. It is a total shame that Internet Brands had to jack up their prices with vBulletin 4, yet still charge extra for features such as blogs and a photo gallery. On the other hand, Rick Baker has lowered prices for UBB.threads. UBB.threads 8.0 will include blogs and a photo gallery at no additional cost. Internet Brands is all in it for your money!
Anonymous (?)
I installed vBulletin for two
I installed vBulletin for two clients and both clients hate it. We have been waiting for a response to a support issue for over a month. vBulletin initially responded to our support ticket with a question. We answered the question. Two weeks later we had to ping them again. They responded, asking the same question they asked the first time! We answered it again, and now another couple of weeks has gone by with no response.
I am looking for a replacement product for both clients.
UBB.threads 8.0 will be the
UBB.threads 8.0 will be the perfect replacement when it is released.
Anonymous (?)
vBulletin went down the
vBulletin went down the toilet when Internet brands took over, they insulted the people that built up vBulletin to what it was in 2007 and insulted the developers that made what they have today.
Anonymous (?)
Can't believe I got sucked
Can't believe I got sucked into paying money for this. After many years on phpBB I thought the grass would be greener with a paid product.. how wrong I was.
I am currently on 4.0.5 (5th update of 4.0 series!) and still the search is utterly unpredictable and useless. Many critical bugs that are raised in the bug tracker are ignored in favor of adding in hacked up features (crap Facebook connect etc.) and the forum has turned bitter with many suggestions for help just directed to vbulletin.org (community modification forum).
If you are looking at forum software, by all means hold off until there is something better. They may claim there are a lot of VB4 installations out there.. but I would say most of them are users who got sucked in from the VB 3.x stream not realizing how 'beta' 4 was going to be.
Anonymous (?)
vBulletin 4 is a complete
vBulletin 4 is a complete pile of crap compared to vBulletin 3, Internet brands has made it worse than any free forum software, I'm sticking with vBulletin 3.
Switch to UBB.threads 8.0
Switch to UBB.threads 8.0 when it is released.
Dude - stop spamming. Youre
Dude - stop spamming. Youre incredibly annoying. Troll.
I am not spamming. This is
I am not spamming. This is America, where everyone has the right to freedom of speech and their own opinion.
You are a F... spammer, and
You are a F... spammer, and besides a liar. Spammer
NO, you are the liar, since
NO, you are the liar, since you are BREAKING THE LAW by violating my freedom of speech. I have the absolute right to take legal action against you.
You have a right to free
You have a right to free speech but that does not mean you have a right to be heard, and it also means that you can be removed from any forum without any retribution what so ever...
Seriously quit spamming UBB
Seriously quit spamming UBB Threads. Way back when, UBB was standing still, producing a slow, inefficient product. vBulletin was created as a PHP/MySQL reworking of UBB. The folks at UBB passed when offered the code, so vBulletin was born. vBulletin quickly picked up all of UBB's customers and I'm surprised UBB even stayed in business. I don't know anyone who thinks UBB is a serious contender at this point.
UBB.threads is not the same
UBB.threads is not the same Perl/Flat File-based UBB (later known as UBB.classic) of years past. UBB.threads uses PHP/MySQL. The fact is, vBulletin 4 is extremely buggy and overpriced, and I don't know why anyone would recommend it over UBB.threads, especially after UBB.threads 8.0 is released. UBB.threads 8 will include blogs and a photo gallery at no additional cost, all for less money than a standalone vBulletin 4 forum without blogs or a photo gallery. Internet Brands doesn't care for their customers, they only care about making a profit.
Unfortunately, what has caused the delay of UBB.threads 8 is that one of the developers (Scott Young) has passed away, and now Rick Baker has to complete where Scott left off. I can guarantee UBB.threads 8 will be the ideal forum software package.
In truth, you are the one who is spamming.
PROTIP: The Constitution of
PROTIP: The Constitution of the United States applies to the government of the USA. NOT private forums and individuals.
He is not breaking the law
He is not breaking the law since he has the freedom of speech to tell you to shut up and stop spamming. If he is not actively threatening to hurt you if you do not shut up or actively forcing you to stop talking then he is not violating the freedom of speech. And the freedom of speech still has it's limits you can't go into a crowded theater in the US and yell "fire" and say it was because you have the freedom of speech. If you do that you can still be arrested.
Plus this is an international forum so no one gives a damn that you live in the United States, because the US Constitution does not apply around the world...
And on top of all that, as with the movie theater example where their are limits, taking legal action against someone for saying this gives them the right to counter sue you for: hardship, extreme stupidy (asking for you to be sent to a mental institute to keep the world safe), and they can also sue you under the Can't Spam Act (which as you like to brag about so much is in the US laws too) that says you can be fined up to $19,000 for each person who you spam and you spam every person who views this thread which means you can probably be fined $1,900,000+ by now at least...
So shut up idiot.
Everyone, this forum is there
Everyone, this forum is there for giving your opinion about vBulletin 4 ONLY. We are not here to slur each other, or giving your own interpretation of American constitution, so please (try to) be constructive.
Thanks
FSR Admin - Vote for 2012.
This site does not allow
This site does not allow freedom of speech, So take that.
Anonymous (?)
Why wait form ubb? Check out
Why wait form ubb? Check out mybb 1.6, I'm dropping vbulletin for it no problems.
Good choice, You will not be
Good choice, You will not be disappointed, I use MyBB and i have never had a problem, Theming is easy redesigning is easy,a nd administrations is amazing, and there is such a huge index of plugins for everything you can think of.
Great to find out. I was
Great to find out. I was planning on using myBB (because it's $200 cheaper) and was worried I wouldn't get as much quality as what comes with vBulletin. But now I know I save $200 and get higher quality. That's what I call a win-win.
Zidane007nl (?)
I'm not planning to upgrade
I'm not planning to upgrade to vBulletin 4 after the bad things I've heard. And you have to pay full price to upgrade...
@Andros 1337: You know what you are? A UBB.threads fanboy. Get lost with posting everywhere that UBB.threads is great, since it isn't. A forum without a plugins system is fail.
That is one of the features
That is one of the features that will be included with UBB.threads 8.0.
Spammer.
Spammer.
Anonymous (?)
XenForo is being released in
XenForo is being released in October, brought to you by two vBulletin developers (before Internet Brands).
Anonymous (?)
I used SMF for years.
I used SMF for years. Overall, I was very happy with SMF. I started with version 1, and ended with version 2.0 RC4.
The people that develop and support it are nice and helpful. - But - There are some reasons I switched to Vbulletin 4.0 a week ago.
Here is my experience, and thoughts, and then review of Vbulletin in my first week:
Overall, in my first week of Vbulletin, I am very happy. Install was easy. Setup, I will admit, is way different then SMF and there is a learning curve. I set it up as a test forum, got all the settings to where I needed them to be, experimented, and learned, then switched it to live and disabled my current site.
I HIGHLY Recommend VBulletin. If you can't afford to do Vbulletin, then I HIGHLY recommend SMF.
As far as these other guys on here that recommend UBB.threads, try it, I do not agree, and it is a bad move. As Far as IP.Boards, they have a nice forum, but are crooks. They charge you the most money for all the features to make what VBulletin is already, and then want $105.00 every 6 months to support it!!!! Stay away from them. The cost is not worth what they offer.
Just to clear a few points
Just to clear a few points about vBulletin - since you are so obviously misguided, as a light term.
vBulletin does NOT check, or approve any modifications.
vBulletin Sitemaps is querky, and isn't very efficient, nor is it completely reliable. CMS, don't even go there. I assume you've never visited the Licensed Customer Feedback forum. The CMS needs a hell of a lot of work on.
vBulletin support is very fast, unlike the pace of development etc.
vBulletin may not be the number 1 forum software. It is paid, and not free as you are insinuating.
vBulletin is somewhat of a headache for many administrators.
At this moment, I cannot completely recommend vBulletin, but I have hopes that the situation will improve.
hunbony (?)
I wouldn't recommend this
I wouldn't recommend this software to anyone specially after 'ib' bought it. it has been around 20 months (more than a year and half) since vb4 released and it still buggy with over 1200 confirmed bug/over 2800 bug in total. the company that owns vb doesn't have a clue how to develop a bugfree software or how communicate with its customers. they are fllwing what it called agile develpment which proved its failure. not to mention the the price of this software which is not fair and vb doesn't worth that much of money in its current stat. keeping moving this way i'll give it two years to be in the bottom list of paid forum software. i also think in a year or two there will be a free forum that is much better than vb. vb bosses do not listen to their customers and they don't care about what they want and they only want to get money as soon as possible as much as possible and let customers go to hell, even if they say they're not, it is that way.
my guess vb is in the end of its life
sad
Heifsbabs (?)
Hello, I have just built my
Hello,
I have just built my new site, You are welcome to take a look:
http://www.jocuricuanimale.org
Thanks
Anonymous (?)
What is up with all the
What is up with all the negative comments?! I've been using vb for years and love it.
Anonymous (?)
Anything is better than
Anything is better than UBB.threads. The betas are broken and Baker lives in a dreamworld.
I don't understand why there
I don't understand why there is so much defamation against UBB.threads. It is an ABSOLUTE FACT (not an opinion) that UBB.threads is a superior forum software package to vB4. vB4 is very buggy and unstable. Yes, I understand there have been delays with UBB.threads 8, however, a beta should probably be expected next month. What people should really learn is that UBB.threads is not the same old Perl/flat file UBB of years past, but is a fast and robust PHP/MySQL forum.
Stewart (?)
Not a good forum software, AT
Not a good forum software, AT ALL, Buggy, Terrible AdminCP, Dreadful template system.
lacks good usable features.
Anonymous (?)
vBulletin is actually quite
vBulletin is actually quite awesome.
boaz (?)
i don't have it but i think
i don't have it but i think that if the don't give some lite version
base on the full version no one can know if its good or not
about the installing i expect from system like this to have good and friendly install system
every the free system have better install system .
i base this on the beta version i hope that on release version i hope its not the same
any way i cant say its perfect but for the price the are asking i think the are over rated
JB (?)
Pros: I own multiple
Pros:
As for the Anonymous guys whom are probably employees of one of the other platforms your only hurting yourselves with that envy!
Anonymous (?)
Pros: Forum works
Pros:
Cons:
Summary: If you aren't interested in writing articles or messing with the CMS then the package may be what you need. Many of the features and options you would expect from a Content Management System product are missing. vBulletins response when you inquire about such features is pretty standard "you can modify the code so it will do that, but we do not support modifications" I have quite a few bugs submitted since version 4.0 that have yet to be addressed concerning the CMS editor. For content use Wordpress, for a forum then I can recommend vbulletin.
Dan Degrasso (?)
Pros: The forums work
Pros:
Cons:
Summary:
The company that used to create this software is no longer in business. All the developers left and now the new company looks like it is hiring cheap labor in all different countries to create this big piece of junk. They promise they will fix this and that and new features and they never arrive. Everything has a price tag. The addons that are supposed to work are not supported. Worst investment ever. If you want better alternatives, I have found invisionboard and xenforo to be much better than this total garbage. The CMS is terrible. It doesn't look very good and using it is worse. It is almost impossible to get it to work properly and there are so many bugs. It is why most vbulletin sites don't use it at all.
Save your money. Don't ever buy from this company again. They took my money and now want to sell me another version of more junk without fixing what they sold. Since i bought there are hundreds of bad reviews of vBulletin and the new company that bought them, Internet Brands. They are all true. All of these people can't be wrong. My mistake, not again.
Brandon (?)
It's alright.
It's alright.
Said (?)
Pros: I tried phpbb3, MyBB,
Pros: I tried phpbb3, MyBB, kunena, Ipboard, and some others. Vbulletin is the best I've used
Cons: The price