I've been using ProBoards for years, and it is the best free forum provider I've used! I've used and managed many other forums, but ProBoards is the only one so compatible, easy to use, and has great support!
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Best?! They allow profanity with 13+ year old kids who have registered! It's NOT the best!
...You can't filter everything. Watch your kids the way you are supposed to. Problem solved.
True. And in the admin area, there is a censored words section. You add whatever word( you would like to censor in the left column, then put the word you want to change it into the adjacent right column. Then, the site changes the word whenever it is typed.
ProBoards is a great forum host and I have been using them for ages now! We have great codes to make your forum just like you want and the admins are very friendly and willing to help straight away! Choose PB if you are wanting to make a free, great forum!
First, I'll put in the disclaimer that I am a moderator on ProBoards. That said, I would not be a moderator there if I hadn't been a very happy member first. Anytime I needed help with my FREE forum, I could count on personalized, friendly support. From ensuring that children will find a safe haven for hours of fun, to giving advice about coding a forum to complete non-techies like me, ProBoards cares about your FREE forum experience.
Proboards is a terrible hosting company. They delete long standing boards with no warning and when you go to their forum to find out why, they lock your thread so there can be no discussion.
We had a board for five years and they just deleted us without warning. We were a small close knit community and they didn't care. They also kept the dollars we paid to make the board ad free.
What? I've never heard of them deleting forums unless they are breaking the TOS. Usually they are happy to put a back up of your forum on if you deleted etc. Sounds as if it was your problem and not PB's.
I don't think anti-ProBoard reviewers should review...
The intent of a review is to give a thorough and informed opinion of something, whether it is positive or negative, in order to make certain that other people know what they're getting into. It's an important thing to keep an open mind in all issues, and to carefully examine both good and bad feedback in a given service. And just because one person gives a bad review when you yourself have had no issues doesn't mean that they're biased or a rabble rouser, but that they probably legitimately had a different experience from yourself, and it's important for people to know this. If people only left/paid attention to good reviews, then companies wouldn't have as much incentive to pay attention to their quality control. It's important to remain competitive, sharp, and able to spot when any aspect of your company, service, or employees may be slipping. So to that end, unbiased feedback, both good and bad, is very important, and it helps everyone.
If Proboards removes forums, it is obvious that the forums were viollating their Terms of Service. The Abuse Department (TOS), only removes forums which were reported, and were obvious that the forums had been violating the TOS.
Most times, they give a 48 hour (2 day) warning to remove the offending content. If, by the end of that time, you do NOT remove the content, your board is removed from being hosted. And if you need to contact them about it, email the abuse department, instead of posting on the support board, considering it is not a support issue, it is an abuse issue.
The only time when they remove forums WITHOUT WARNING, is if there are tons of things on the forum that is violating the TOS, and the Administrator of the forum is either doing nothing about it, or participating in the violations.
SO, what is the best thing to do in this situation? Don't get into those situations. If you do, remove the offending content ASAP, or else you don't have a forum to use.
Well, they removed our forum without warning because we realised that we had no way to reasonably comply with the ToS, and thus were looking to back up the old content prior to moving, based on the catch-all "we can do whatever the hell we like, and fuck you" clause in their ToS.
So, now, we've lost six years worth of posts, including a lot of fanfics and RPing, just because they suddenly noticed that a forum discussing an adult series might have some adult content, without giving us any chance to move on. It's fair enough that their ToS forbid such things, but they should at least have the decency to allow us to back up our forum before they erase it.
If you'd have stopped whining and contacted the abuse department to get the forum back, then you wouldn't be having this problem. I read your posts on Proboards Support. You were being a baby. Just a baby.
Instead of following their instructions to get it back, you just whined and whined about why it was deleted. Most forums have a 48 hour period of time where they can get rid of the content AND ACCORDING TO THE PROBOARDS TOS WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE READ ... Any forums that break a rule in the TOS that is an extreme offense will be removed IMMEDIATELY. If you can't read and follow the TOS, then you don't have the right to complain.
What posts on ProBoards support? I have not at any point posted on that board, because I knew damn well that it would be a total waste of time to do so, and further that attempting to do so would be counter-productive for any possibility of getting the forum reinstated/
You are confusing me with someone completely different. Whilst I have indeed criticised ProBoards repeatedly over their actions, I did not waste my time bothering to do so on their support board. Instead, I did so in private (or, at least, what I thought was private, until some random ProBoards admin decided to snoop on our IRC chat for absolutely no reason and then take offense at my comments).
Maybe that was your problem. You didn't even bother trying to get it back up, instead chose to go complain about it somewhere else when it could have been easily fixed if you went to the support forum to ask how you can fix whatever issues that got your forum to go down in the first place.
I am apart of a forum that has been around since 2004, and about a year ago got shut down for a bit, but then some moderators went and asked why and how they can fix the problem so that they can get back up and running. Patrick (the main hancho I assume) gave us 48hrs to delete all our R to NC-17 fan fictions which we not only archived them somewhere else (which was a lot) but also deleted it in 48hrs as well. Ever since that incident, we've been up and running and keeping things PG-13. Patrick even stuck around during the process and posted a couple times to answer questions that were being asked which helped in figuring out what could stay or what couldn't stay.
Also, honestly, I have no proof from you to believe that an admin went to your private IRC chat. That sounds silly.
Well, they did, and they sent the forum leader a letter complaining about a "bomb threat" we made on there. However, when someone posted the text of their letter here before, the moderators deleted it, so it seems pointless to post it again.
As for our site, we had a similar issue, only we simply couldn't realistically make our site PG-13 without compromising pretty much the entire point of it (the main issue for us was also fanfiction, but the stories the fics are based on is adult-themed, so to limit the forum to PG-13 would have been totally ludicrous), so we just wanted to get our data and find somewhere else which lacked an adult-only policy. However, they were extremely unhelpful in that respect, and closed the forum ASAP once they realised we had no intention of remaining as customers and just wanted to leave with our data. One of our mods did try to most on their support forum, but they were entirely unhelpful, and they certainly weren't willing to allow us to retain the data that had been posted by our members over the course of something approaching 10 years (and, yes, we had been around that long despite quite obviously being in breech of their ToS, presumably because they don't bother actually checking).
But, even if you can argue that the way they treated us was fair (it was certainly within the ToS, even ignoring the "we can do whatever we damn well like" provision), the way they've treated some others is certainly not. They close forums without reason or justification and ignore people asking why they have done so. You were lucky, because your forum was closed for something they saw as fixable, and clearly in breech of the ToS so they had no issue informing you of this. Others, whose forums were closed for no apparent reason, have been given no warning, no indication of why and no help in getting it back up again.
What a dickhead........they removed my forum as well...no warning nothing...it was not violating any T&S PROBOARDS ARE THE WORST HOST EVER And have ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE
I'm sorry, I have to say the Proboards has a wonderful Support Team. They have helped me trough a number of otherwise confusing situations on my site. I will admit that at one point I violated one of their rules and they did indeed contact me 48 hours before the set time to have my site removed and asked me to fix it. Proboards is a very well run and the staff is quite helpful.
"If Proboards removes forums, it is obvious that the forums were viollating their Terms of Service."
In other words, it's physically impossible for the staff to behave arbitrarily. That's what you just said. Do you really not get that this is insane?
Deleting sites without giving them a chance to back up what they contained, not giving the 48 hours they promised in cases like breaking the ToS, and generally being hyporcrites who say they are not "putting the gun on your head and saying: "Do it or else!", while they are, in fact, doing just that...
There are lots of things I could say about ProBoards. And none of them are good. Which is because...? Because ProBoards is a sorry excuse for a hosting company with no respect for it's users whatsoever.
Further, not only did they do all of this, but apparently they even spied on our IRC chats, and actually threatened legal action based on a non-serious post made there.
I can understand trying to uphold their ToS, but what we discuss in an off-forum IRC chat is none of their damn business.
LOLWut are you talking about? Actually, it is. They are providing you with a service. They have the right to make sure their customers follow the rules. Don't like it? Don't agree to the TOS.
Comment removed. It has nothing to do with the current discussion. Thanks to give your opinion about ProBoards, not copy/pasting IRC.
Proboards suck! They had HDD failure last summer and had the nerve to bring all the sites back 30 days earlier. So most people lost a ton of posting and members. Their support advice was to back-up you own forum. So that's what I did and then I moved it to phpBB3 using my back-up! Not only did they delete my forum, they kept my my 6 months of add free.
When I asked their Support after quoting their advice to back-up my own forum this is what I got below. I was lucky enough not to lose the rest of my forum since I had a full back-up, minus 30 days! basically, if you want to be in control, Proboards is not the way to go. It's a dead-end street in my opinion.
If you want to back up your forum, you have to do it manually (copy/pasting). Using software to download the forum is against TOS, and ProBoards doesn't currently offer an official download.
At this time, there isn't a way to backup the forum contents locally. After the HDD failure, though, we've put measures in place by ensuring that the backup system is indeed working on a weekly basis as it should be. Also, there is a feature being worked on that will allow you to choose when to have your forum backed up. Additional details on that will be announced soon though
You expect ProBoards to behave like a script, even though it isn't.
That's like expecting your microwave and dishwasher to access the Internet.
Think before you complain.
No, they expect ProBoards to at least be consistent about their backup plans.
If they want to make it against the ToS to back up your site then fine, they have the right to do that, but they cannot simultaneously tell people "well, you should back up your own forums" and make it impossible for them to actually do so.
Further, nothing he said is invalid. Other forum software (for example, vBulletin, which is the software our site uses now we're free of ProBoards suckiness) allows for automatic daily backups, so the fact that ProBoards does not, and further bans you from (realistically) doing so yourself (and, worse, then try to defend theirselves against criticism for the loses caused by their incompetence by claiming that people should be doing so) is a perfectly valid criticism of the ProBoards software.
If you do not have a problem with taking the risk that your forum will lose 90 days worth of posts because they cocked up or that, if you decide to move to another site or annoy ProBoards, you could lose all your data because ProBoards basically owns and controls that data and can delete it on a whim then that's your choice, but that doesn't mean that everyone will agree with that assessment.
This is a terrible service, which appears to be in the habit of arbitrarily deleting long-standing forums. Think twice before you use them.
Proboards TOS. When you make a site, you agree to the TOS. It's not Proboard's fault that you're not smart enough to read.
What, you mean the ToS that basically says "we can delete your site for any reason we damn well like"?
The fact that they've put a bunch of legalese in there in order to cover their asses against any complaints is hardly a valid reason to disregard any complaints about them doing so. Legally, they absolutely have the right to do it, but that isn't the issue here. The point is that they do it and, therefore, that if you sign up for ProBoards you are risking having the same thing done to your board.
No. The point is that if you don't break the rules, then you don't lose your site.
That's a concept.
But the rules say "we can do whatever we damn well like and delete you for any reason we wish", so just by setting up your site you are already in "breach" of the rules, in the sense that they can delete you whenever they want (which is what they did to our forum).
Deleting any account for the sheer hell of it sounds like an amazing business plan! Going to have tons of customers that way! ProBoards will be the largest in the world.
The above of course is sarcasm, pure, distilled, sarcasm.
Whether you agree with their reasoning or not, you have to have done something wrong to begin with to get on their radar (bad business otherwise). Judging by your messages here, still posting months after you apparently got your forum removed screams bad attitude. Those with bad attitudes usually have more run-ins with authority so i doubt anyone is surprised you have an issue.
You have said your thing and still feel the need to say it again and again even though all but a couple of others will disagree with you. Your point has been documented and will remain here as long as this site remains. The more you sit and scream and throw your toys out of the stroller, the more users (of ProBoards and otherwise) will just ignore what you have to say.
You know this thing has a "e-mail you when someone makes a comment" feature, right? It's not like I've been watching this page non-stop for the last three months or something....
Also, I was arguing with one person. If I'm being unreasonable for continuing the argument, then so is he.
You are funny. My forum also got deleted for NO REASON at all! No Warning, NO REASON. All I got was basically "screw off". Quit defending SCUM. I had no breach of TOS and if there was then I should have been warned.
A guy actually reported us after being banned saying that we were infringing copyright and that he was a lawyer, so our forum was taken down. We complained to the abuse mail, to the dmca mail and to the support board, yet we got nothing. The e-mail they showed us lacked proof of his claim and any kind of authentification, and when we pointed that out, we stopped receiving answers from the proboards team. He had already used that strategy before with a friend's forum and the site was back up, but they seem to have changed it this time from "You've infringed copyright" to "We actually don't give a fuck, we're deleting this lol".
Tell me again that we did something to deserve this :/
I used to think highly of proboards. Now I'm dissapoint.
Proboards is the best forum software I've ever used and the only one I plan on using for a long time. I've tried out several others, even paid services, and the free version of Proboards is better, IMO. Extremely customizable, EASILY customizable, dependable, and full-featured. Plus, the Support board also functions as a GT, and the staff also function as family.
Please notice that the naysayers above neglected to leave the names of their poor deleted sites, likely because they're afraid of what the people defending Proboards will dig up. I've never, ever seen someone with a legit (as in evidenced) complaint about mistreatment from them. They're wonderful and I've been using them for six-seven years now.
Well, given that the forum has been deleted and ProBoards have said nothing on the matter outside of the (now-deleted) forum, I don't see the point, really. It wouldn't change anything and it wouldn't give any indication of what happened.
I'm a naysayer, here's what I have to say. The proboard I was using was deleted under the 25(a) rule (The one saying "We can do whatever the hell we want, now fuck off). It's pretty much an established fact that none of us had adult content or copyrighted information on our posts. The board was dedicated to the discussion of, planning for games of, and development of a game (which itself has all the legal information that's needed).
I'll say that most likely, the people who have their boards deleted and don't leave you the links to them, it's because their boards were, I don't know... DELETED! But just to humor you, here's the link, if you can find a way of recovering the information, I know the entire community there will be grateful.
Zodiac FF RPG? Sounds like a rip from Final Fantasy Tactics already, dude.
you're clearly not understanding the rules then. If it was deleted due to ToS violations, it was against some sort of breach of the rules. That doesn't mean just adult content.
Also, to the person who said that a PB admin was in a chatbox, they've made that clear before that they do not communicate through those devices, since they can easily just send a message to accounts from their global admin account. People have been known to pose as Support staff members before.
This was a private IRC chat, and they sent a letter to the admin of the forum (who wasn't even on said chat, IIRC, and certainly hadn't given any details out on there) threatening legal action for a jokey comment that someone made about bombing Proboards.
So, yes, they do spy on IRC chats and the like, because they sent us a letter complaining about our comments on such.
yeah, they threatened because that could be considered terrorism. Talking about things like that isn't funny and shouldn't be taken lightly these days even if it is in a chat thing. They had all rights to take legal action and delete your forum.
The point is not whether or not it "could be considered terrorism" (although no-one even remotely reasonable would think it was), the point is that they were spying on a private IRC chat that they had absolutely no business being in and, to make it even worse, they then took comments made in that chat (which we didn't expect them to even be reading, and which they had no justifiable reason to be reading) as threats aimed at them despite the fact that anyone remotely reasonable would have recognised that they were supposed to have been private comments.
And, BTW, the forum had been deleted before that point, so it has nothing to do with the deletion itself.
If you wanted it private, then make it private. Clearly it wasn't if they were in there, and that's your own fault. Everything you say has been flawed, so I highly doubt this actually happened. Support staff, like I said before, have never been known to any sort of chat. And again, they could have been impersonated. It's extremely easy to go around and chat places and say your someone else. They would rather go with the option of sending a message or email than go into a chat room to confront someone.
If you wanted it private, then make it private. Clearly it wasn't if they were in there, and that's your own fault.
We couldn't make it private because it was a chat we wanted any member of the board to be able to join, and we had nowhere non-public to post the password.
Everything you say has been flawed, so I highly doubt this actually happened.
Well, I would post the details, but someone already did so, and the moderator for this discussion deleted it for being "irrelevant" (see the comment removed on March 13th, the deletion statement for which states that it was an "IRC copy/paste"), so I suspect that posting it again would be rather pointless.
Support staff, like I said before, have never been known to any sort of chat.
Well, it did happen. I don't know why they were in there, but they were.
And again, they could have been impersonated. It's extremely easy to go around and chat places and say your someone else.
I agree entirely that that would be the case had they posted in the chat itself, but they didn't....
They would rather go with the option of sending a message or email than go into a chat room to confront someone.
They did send us an e-mail (or, rather, they sent the owner of the forum an e-mail). A very formal one threatening legal action if we didn't stop making the "threats".
And, since you're probably going to accuse me of "changing my story", I'd like to point out that at no point have I ever claimed they posted in our chat. Indeed, my previous post specifically says that they "sent a letter to the admin" (OK, so it was probably an e-mail rather than an actual physical letter, now that I think about it, but the basic point is the same).
Yeah, the point that you had a bad experience with a forum so you are going to down rate it on a site and insist that the company is evil and should die.
First, ProBoards has every right to monitor what you say if they wanted. Why do I say this? We'll, you registered to obtain their service, right? You agreed to their TOS right? So by knowing this, why SHOULDN'T ProBoards have the right to monitor anything they want? Yes, Personal Messages are private. However, a chat conversation on a ProBoards forum is not the same thing. ProBoards has the right to view anything at any time because THEY provide YOU a service for FREE and the least you can do is NOT be hiding stuff and KEEP things clean so that when they decide they want to look through a few forums, they don't HAVE to take action.
And of course they were there. But if President Obama appeared, would you insist it was the real deal? Of course not! But then what difference does it make between some business owners who are managing forums and the President? They both don't have the time to play around on chat groups!
So really, I'm just seeing some whining here. This is my opinion of course (about the whining) and I don't meant to be rude.
Isn 't that kind of the point of this site...?
Erm, we weren't chatting on a ProBoards forum, this was an entirely unrelated IRC chat. The only connection it had to ProBoards was that it was a chat where people from a recently deleted forum had congregated. Therefore, they had absolutely no reason to be monitoring it.
Erm, could you try actually reading my posts before you reply? ProBoards sent a formal letter (likely via e-mail) to the admin of the forum threatening legal action. That is not something that would be easily faked, because he knows the e-mail address of ProBoards and, further, none of the forumites actually know his e-mail address.
Proboards, since its creation, developed, over time, a great idea. But the people behind the service just have never gotten the idea on what consumer relations is really about. Their knowledge on administration was mediocre at best. If you're looking for a forum with good hearted people, people who understand humanity but also rule with common sense, then do not look towards Proboards, look elsewhere.
As you can see, above me or below me, wherever this little comment bubble will go... you'll see exactly the behavior that is "tolerated" and endorsed. Pointless squabbling that has no end. Furthers no gain, nor any knowledge what-so-ever. As well as "cliques" of members that have "special" access and "special" privileges because their noses are extremely brown.
You go to work and put up with those kinds of people, why go to a forum service provider and continue to put up with it? Proboards is not worth your time nor investment. It is filled with pathological liars. It's almost pathetic they're that ignorant of their own misdeeds.
You will think of two things concerning this opinion; You'll think "This person has it out for them." or you'll think "Perhaps he's right. It sounds like he speaks from experience." Either way, just know you should tread lightly and trust no one. But if it were up to me, I wouldn't register. There are plenty other, as you may have seen, forum service providers that are much better then that place.
Have a great day!
Anonymous, I could not have said it any better myself. I've noticed that when I was a member of that forum. It seemed some people got special treatment. Heck, I had special treatment and I knew others who got away with being bullies because they were friends with the owner and the other administration.
But, you can't tell any kid that. They yearn for some kind of acceptance and usually, they ignore any respectful and honest warnings I've seen given or have given myself and just join to become arrogant bullies that think it's okay to patronize people because other people that accepted them, do it too.
I would say, if you're a parent, do not let your kids join this forum service provider. They are rude, crude and unprofessional. I had to step back for awhile and watch to see how ignorant I really was of everything that was going on behind my back. Heck, I was ignorant of everything that was going on in front of my very own eyes.
iagree with the person above i've had numerous BAD experiences with the people on that forum i don't suggest going to it proboards sukz
If you're interested in being patronized for having a different opinion, this is the perfect place for you!
I have been using Proboards free forums since May 1996 and I would not change to any other for nothing, wonderful easy to use and so easy to play around with the skins to make it gorgeous! I am truly thankful of the day I found Proboards!
Very biased. Amazing, most people that say they love Proboards usually have NEVER tried more then 1-3 other forum service providers to even have a thorough "review" of the product. But what can you do? Kids think they know everything. Good luck with you. Just like Fox News......
I've used Proboards for over three years now, and I think it works brilliantly. I also find it amusing that you call a review actually supporting Proboards biased, when, in fact, the reviews completely bashing Proboards are also biased.
Then allow me to speak as someone that has used phpBB, Invision, Joomla, and Proboards: Proboards bests all of these services for one reason, and one reason only: There is no way for you to completely ruin the entire forum without breaking the Terms of Service in some fashion. You can add a code to hide the entire page. Doesn't matter, you can simply use the "&NOHEADERS" at the end of the URL, and get to the admin area to take the code back out. Or, one of the server admins can take it out for you.
The support is good.
If I were to visit all the forums that broke the ToS, and were removed under 25(a), it could probably be pegged to something else. The lack of back-up might be irritating to some, but considering the sheer scope of size, I don't think back-ups are too practical - unless you did them manually, yourself.
Also, you need to wait for v5 to launch, which should be sometime this year - once that's out, I'm pretty sure a few things will change.
This place likes to make fun of religion! The staff at this place don't even care! People disrespect opinions and beliefs all the time that it's so commonplace that the staff do NOTHING!
If you want your beliefs and/or opinions disrespected and made fun of.... go here. Good luck!
Are you talking about the support forum or the forums themselves?
If you want your beliefs to be respected then the sure fire way to do that is to have your beliefs based in fact and supported by evidence. A belief does not automatically deserve respect just because it is a belief. Most religions, but particularly Islam, fall into this ridiculous notion that just because they believe it to be true, the rest of the world must believe it and worse, respect it. And as seen in Islam, if you don't respect it, the entire Islamic world throws a paddy. If I told you there were magical fairies at the bottom of my garden and you must respect my belief that this is true, you would cart me off to the looney bin. I respect your right to believe whatever you like but I do not respect beliefs in nonsense that have no basis in fact.
It's no surprise that this forum service provider has a user rating of 4/10. (As of this moment I saw this page anyways.) They have poor attitudes there, they're corrupt and they think they can bully anyone they please. It's amazing how many gullible people they pull in with their glamor. But ignorant people find shiny things cool anyways. There's over 160,000 members but not even a quarter of those are active. They just keep the number so they can seem superior to others. Their actual activity number doesn't even come close. Wonder why? Hmmmm... stupid people, brown nosers and no one with a life at all. Must be sad that you're accepted by other people online but not before you joined the website in real life.
Don't join this place, you're wasting your time. You'll be highly disappointed. Most that praise this place have only used this place and no where else, which is another pathetic thing about this place. Biased opinion(.
*Biased opinion( s ).
Weird smiley. LOL!
I noticed that they allow A LOT of profanity! I was shocked! There are 13+ year old kids on this place and they allow cursing?! That's ridiculous!
That is up to the administrators of the respective forums. There is an admin option to censor certain words and insert others. For example, "a$$" could become "rear". It is also up to the parents to allow their children on such sites.
This is proof of the nonsense that is allowed. Four pages of it! People hack accounts, impersonate other people. If you're religious and keep up the image, you're going to get your account hacked. Then the person who hacked your account will do everything in his/her power to get you banned. Just because they felt the need to. People have been hacked before, in the past, so it is not uncommon. But people here don't know, don't care or don't believe it anyways. They're that stupid to think they know everything. Their chatroom is NEVER moderated. They do not even care that people are bullying, trolling, sexually harassing people in there, horrific profanity and all the while, there are 13 year old kids that read that stuff. This place is INAPPROPRIATE!
Your account can be hacked at any moments notice. How safe do you really feel about joining this place? This place is not worth it. They are horrible people!
I'd rather not have my thread shown around by an ignorant prick who doesn't realize that the "Pastor Paul" was The Dancing Lock Guy's troll account.
Get a fucking clue!
Buddy, you've given Proboards a bad name. You have just shown everyone a good reason to NOT join this forum service provider. You gave away that people are willingly trolling other people for fun. Very unprofessional. Very immature and no wonder the user rating of this forum service provider is 4/10. WOW. If other people want to give evidence of this place being the way it is to warn others to not have anything to do with it, you have to respect that. But since you just proved that no one respects other people's opinions, you're only proving the comments above you more and more true.
Enjoy your life kid, your attitude is poor and won't get you far.
Yeah yeah- because you can TOTALLY tell the attitude of someone sitting on the computer hiding behind a screen.
Well, "Get a fucking clue!" might have been a good reason. Also, the use of the admitting that someone used a fake account to troll. That kind of speaks for itself, proof enough. Besides, you're 18. I was cocky and didn't think before I spoke/typed either. All comes with learning. You'll learn that your attitude, which is entirely obvious, is not exactly proper.
Someone was upset at what happened, you just opened everyone's eyes to what truly happened and now it is much worse then actually thought. Congrats.
Sorry that I like to tell the truth.
Now let me show you my non-pissed off side and explain some things. It's obvious that someone has spammed ProBoards.
However, people don't go to ProBoards and then become trolls.
I highly doubt that ProBoards is the only forum service that gets trolls, spammers... and idiots (people who go around and have no idea what they're talking about it, but talk about it anyway).
I've used other forum services, but to be honest, I prefer ProBoards for the simplicity. Other forum services may look neater and have more features, but I don't go to a forum looking for its features. I've never participated on another site's Support Board for reasons to chat with other people, so I don't know what goes on there, but I'm certain that trolls are everywhere.
Being the one that the trollage (for lack of a better, or real word) was aimed at, I will admit that I've never seen or had someone talk like this anywhere - but as I said, I don't go on many other sites.
In my personal opinion, I have made lots of friends in General Talk (and some enemies, seeing as we're all different and that would be inevitable), and not everyone is a horrible and rude person. I've learned not to take things personally (unless my friends are saying it because I tend to trust their judgement a bit more), and I find any people who insult me for my opinions and beliefs to be - ironically - nice people otherwise. Just a bit rude and harsh sometimes, but they're nice at heart.
Now I'm not hating anyone for NOT liking ProBoards. I just don't want my one time experience to be used as a "this happens all the time" thing, because it doesn't. If someone used a bombing in one country as an excuse to why that country was horrible, would that be fair? Shit happens, and to be honest, what happened the other day has upset me because ... I didn't expect the people that I've been chatting with for several months to turn around and talk to me like that.
If I don't blame the staff for what happened, then why are some of the people? Because I think people forget that even staff members have a life and things to do away from the computer. Family, friends, health, etc. They're not robots who can help people constantly. I wish people would stop thinking that.
I find the staff to be really nice people from my experience.
Blaming someone for doing something off the computer instead of modding a forum is basically blaming them for being human.
I apologize for offending anyone, but I never expect anyone who's angry or upset to behave rationally or in good temper - so I don't expect them to either. (Of course, you might not have had any idea seeing as most people don't come right out and say "I'm having a bad day" or something like that).
Anyway. I hope I cleared up some of our... Disagreements?
But you haven't seen and experienced what I have. Long before you came, things were bad. Very bad, now... they're just covered up as "jokes" and not really dealt with since some of those people that cause the trouble are best friends with the staff. So there is quite a bit of shady things that go on. It may not matter to you, but when people purposely hurt other people and get away with it, it matters to other people a lot more then it would... to someone like you.
No, the forum is not all like that. But it's better to get a warning then none at all, to go there and get trolled, bullied, harassed, etc and get upset not ever expecting it.
My only suggestion to you, out of pure respect for what you just did, I want to tell you; Trust no one, don't expect anything in return. Don't get caught up in all the drama, nor become part of any "clique", even when they don't acknowledge there is one. Because trust me, there are "cliques". One would be an involvement of members and staff. Kind of controversial when it comes right down to reprimanding your own real life or internet friend.
Good luck to you, Miss.
Are you people kidding?? The Admin of each site is expected to stop any kind of abuse. Not Proboards. They have better things to do than to spends hours upon hours checking to make sure that everyone who made a site through them are taking care of issues on said sites. As a mother, I say parent your own kids and do not expect Proboards to do t for you. Pay attention to your children's internet time and stop blaming others when you as a parent mess up.
I voted 0 out of 5 stars for the poor attitudes from the staff aswell as the members there. Some are very rude to you and sometimes, nothing is really done about it. Their reprimanding system is flawed.
I thought they were rude at first when I came across a few topics where they would get mad at a poster who didn't read the rules or asked/started threads that were already solved/open. I'm literally a new poster there, but I realized that the reason for them being so rude is because people don't read the forum rules when they join the support forum. People constantly ask questions that already have the answers to it as well. After awhile, it becomes repetitive for a person to keep repeating themselves because a person refuses to search the forums for the issues they want solved. I hate repeating myself 34234 times, so I can see where the rudeness comes from, and get it.
Read rules, follow them, and it's nice sailing from there. k.
Proboards is awesome. On Proboards Support, whatever problem I had, they would always try their best to help me. The forums are easy to use and understand. If they deleted your forum, it was because you did something.
If you have problems, post them on Proboards Support and they'll try to help sort it out and make a compromise, before you start complaining on here.
Ignorance is bliss. Arrogance is clear. Want to gather which you fall in?
You fall in arrogance, and if I have to be arrogant enough to point it out, so be it. >_>'
I guess I'll try to write a comment based on my experience... And not get off topic and respond to someone else's comment. xP
First of all, Proboards =/= Proboards Support. I thought this was about the software, but most of the conversations here are about the Support site xD. Of course, it has a lot to do with Proboards. But regardless.
I've joined multiple kinds of forums (Proboards being the first, followed by Conforums, Invisionfree, IPBFree, and the list goes on), and I do personally like Proboards the most. It's the one I want to use when creating a new site... Which happens a lot because I have more ideas that I have patience to finish it... It could be because it was the first provider I joined, or just because I, MYSELF, like it better.
On the first site I joined, all profanity was filtered because it was for 13+ users, and there's little need to swear on a cat role-play site... But then again, I was either 14 or 15 then, so profanity never bothered me (though I know it bothers other people... but again this is my experience and not the world's experience.)
I admit to creating wayyyy too many sites and hogging up a lot of URLs with plenty of unfinished sites as well... And I do join a lot too. But in my, I'd like to say three years, of role-playing and joining forums, none of mine or the sites I've been on have ever been TOS'd or gotten in any kind of TOS trouble... Perhaps I'm just not noticing what kinds of sites get TOS'd more than others, but I rarely see them unless I look in the support board at all the threads there.
None of the sites I've been on have been 'hacked' ... but there were occasions when a staff member would go rogue and take it out on the site. Which is not Proboard's fault, but the fault of the people themselves. I keep finding it strange how some people will blame a site provider for a PERSON wrecking a site.
People have also joined just to be trolls or spam or be mean to others, which is their fault, not Proboards. You can't expect a site to be able to see in to the future and block people for "possibly being future trolls".
I did have a lot more to say but I guess I'd be repeating myself if I said it. :/
Now I'm prepared for a bunch of "you're biased" and "you're arrogant" and "Proboards sucks" comments to be shot my way. xD I like it. Doesn't mean it's good OR bad. A personal opinion does not make something the worst place ever or the best place ever.
Good arguments Could you give us more details the next time?
FSR Admin - Vote for 2012.
5 Stars- I tried to rate it 5/5 but it's giving me issues! Hopefully it rates correctly.
Wow! I have to say I'm shocked and confused by many of the "reviews" I've read here.
I thought this was about reviewing the service Proboards offers to people wanting to create their own forum.. Many of these "reviews" seem to have nothing to do with the features & service Proboards offers for forum creation & management and have devolved into complaints about experiences on the Proboards Support forums.
I've had nothing but wonderful experiences with both the creation, modification & management of my forum and the service & help on the Proboards Support Site.
The program they offer for FREE is top of the line and has every feature a forum owner could possibly need or want. The codes to customize forums are easy to use and allow endless possibilities to modify your forum in every way!
The Support Staff, moderators & member helpers on Proboards Support are some of the best on the Internet! They're quick to respond, friendly, knowledgeable and they treat everyone with respect! Whether you have a "free" forum with 2 members or an "ad-free, paid for personal domain" forum with 5000 members you will be given the same professional & personal help & guidance when you request it on the support boards.
I've seen posts from admins who have had their forums deleted for various violations of the TOS and in almost every case they admin was warned & given an opportunity to correct the violations before the forum was removed. In fact, the majority of "deleted forums" are even given a second chance to bring their site into TOS compliance within 48 hours, by having their forum brought back online.
Proboards is an outstanding company! The product & service they offer for FREE is equivalent & in some cases superior to the expensive "for a fee" options of other forum providers. Thank You to Proboards Staff and Thank You to the fantastic PB moderators & members that give of their time & knowledge to the PB community 24 hours a day, 7 days a week!
Millions of us are satisfied and appreciate you!
"I've seen posts from admins who have had their forums deleted for various violations of the TOS and in almost every case they admin was warned & given an opportunity to correct the violations before the forum was removed."
Then they were very fortunate.
I set up a ProBoards forum called Cutting Edge UK in March this year when MSN closed its politics boards at very short notice. 30 people joined me on the forum within two days, and by last weekend the membership had gradually increased to 103. We were very satisfied with the service provided by ProBoards. When a former member hacked into and deleted the forum twice in August, members of the support staff were extremely helpful in getting it restored.
Sadly, on the evening of 4 October, our forum was taken offline, without any prior warning or explanation. Five e-mails produced three replies from the ProBoards Abuse Department. These were the replies:-
"ProBoards has exercised it's right per Section 25(a) of the ProBoards Terms of Service to terminate service to: http://cuttingedgeuk.proboards.com/"
"ProBoards has exercised it's right per Section 25(a) of the ProBoards Terms of Service to terminate access to this site. No further information is available."
And best of all:-
"We are not required to give you a "why" reason. Our Terms of Service allows for such removal."
So I still do not have a clue as to why a respectable and well-run forum (one member is a UK Member of Parliament) was deleted without warning. Surely if the Abuse Department had a valid reason they could have shared it with me, or given us time to rectify whatever was wrong? What sort of customer service is that? (And it doesn’t say much for an organisation making its fortune from the written word if it employs people who don’t know the difference between “it’s” and “its”.)
You won’t be surprised to learn that I will have nothing further to do with ProBoards. After all, what would be the point of starting another forum, when it could be deleted at any time and without any explanation. It’s been a devastating experience to see six months’ work (often for twelve hours a day) disappear without even the chance to retrieve any of it. Never again.
That's the major reason I ran as fast as I could after the HDD failure. After losing over 30 days after the restore, I realized that I was putting a lot of effort and time into my forum and was unable to properly back it up. I was at Proboards mercy and whelm; that did not sit well with me. Consider phpBB or myBB with a free host. At least you can back-up your forum and if they ever take it offline, you don't lose much depending how often you back-up. Remember to download your back-ups to your hard drive. I'm with a paid host but my test forum is with a free host call http://x10hosting.com/
I'm sorry that happened to you.
Proboards was fun for awhile, but be warned, if you post anything, and I mean ANYTHING they deem "objectionable" your board can be deleted. Read the TOS and be warned. It is up to the admins as to how they define "objectionable". I had a site up for 5 years without problem. Only a small handful of my friends used it to stay in touch. One day I logged in to find it had been deleted. The only warning I received was a PM to my in-forum account, which I never notice since no one has ever used it. The content they found objectionable were some ancient pictures of actresses they found in posts that were 3-4 years old. Interestingly enough, we had JUST starting posting some rather scathing commentary about certain conservative political figures. In reading through posts to the support forum, I noticed rather a lot of left-leaning forums had been deleted as well, with the same sort of limited notice. Be warned. If you posts thoughts and ideas not shared by the Proboard admins, you might find yourself exiled to virtual Siberia.
I wanted to add...I never really found the admins to be outright rude, but I did find them a bit smarmy. Their need to post a smiley face after every comment they make just reeks of righteous patronization.
As another addendum, today I read that all content, including content you LINK TO in any posts, must be "suitable" for persons aged 13 years and older.
Read this carefully...first of all, there is no standardized definition in the Proboards TOS which defines "suitable". Its completely arbitrary.
Secondly, if you post a link to a site which contains anything the Proboards content police deem "unsuitable" you can have your forum removed.
I would strongly recommend to anyone who wants to keep a forum around that you look elsewhere. There are too many stories even on their own forums about people losing years worth of work for seemingly capricious reasons.
If you want to host a completely clean site for kids, then ProBoards is probably perfectly fine, most of the time. But, if you're hosting any kind of RP site, any site that discusses a show that even might have adult content at any point or you just don't want to treat your posters like little children, then you should go elsewhere, because if they find out, they will most probably delete your forum, and even if they don't they will force you to remove anything that they deem to be "adult content".
And, since most people don't actually read the ToS (due to them generally being full of legal waffle, usually incomprehensible and so broad that they tell you nothing whatsoever about what you can actually do other than "anything we don't feel like banning you for"), I suspect that many of you will not realise that this is the case, and nor will your members.
Further, their back-up policy is horrible, so if they do decide to take down your forum, you'd better hope that you backed it up. Oh, except that all the even remotely plausible ways of doing so are also against the ToS (and usually obvious), so if you try that, you lose your forum anyway.
So, basically, if you sign up for them, not only are you agreeing to keep the site entirely free of adult content (or even of sites which link to it, which probably eliminates a large chunk of the internet), but you are agreeing that, if you happen to get in a dispute with them, want to move your forum or, even, if they fuck up and don't take their own backups properly (which, as someone has said above, has happened before), you will lose all the content on it with no way to retrieve it (even though they will likely have a copy).
ProBoards is the worst place ever. I was there for quite a few years as a dedicated member. Then, all of a sudden, I'm banned from the entire service for a stupid reason, and they don't even try to work things out with me. Clinger and the rest of his staff are douches, who discriminate, and I've got the proof to back it up. Aside from their discrimination, V5 has been the main topic for so long, yet there's been nothing of it.
Going back to what some others have said, PB is horrible with backup management. If a forum is deleted for an unspecified reason, PB will act like you're a threat, and not even at least open up the forum long enough to retrieve certain info from posts.
If you were deleted from the "whole service", then you obviously did something pretty major. ProBoards doesn't delete someone from the entire service without that person being a real ass.
Really? You think so?
Because all the evidence here suggests otherwise....
Contrary to what statisticians would like, product reviews are always heavily weighted to the negative, mainly because the minority like to shout out their opinions as if they were the majority. Quite like a child who has been bad, who screams at his mom, "I hate you" even though he was in the wrong.
Well, no, actually, the reason the negative comments far outweigh the positive ones is because people are far more likely to comment if they have strong opinions, and you're far more likely to have a strong opinion about a company if they've made a mess of something than you are if they've done their job properly.
Nevertheless, every person on here complaining about ProBoards has an entirely legitimate complaint. Their ToS allows them to block you for any reason they like (which, as several people on here have demonstrated is not a purely theoretical ability) and, further, their backup policy is inconsistent (telling you that you are responsible for making your own backups and at the same time denying you the means to do so in any realistic manner). And, also, the votes give a much stronger impression of the true nature of ProBoards, because they certainly advertise this site on their forums and ask people to vote.
It is, of course, true that the vast majority of ProBoards customers will never have their account closed unjustly or their forum lose data because it's not backed-up properly, but that's like saying that a restaurant with terrible hygeine is fine to eat at because you are still unlikely to get ill. Sure, it's unlikely, but why take the risk when there are other companies that provide the same service without that risk?
I love everything about proboards. It's free and simple to use so everyone from the basic forum goers to the advanced coders can use it well. Great features and an overall great webhosting site.
I became aware of Proboards in 2003, then in 2004 i came to the Support board for help with a board i was co-admin at.
The board eventually died off due to other sites being more popular in the genre, i came back to Support to have a look around, eventually i started helping in the Support board, at many other forums this is not permitted, but the fact that members were able to help each other meant that issues were solved very quickly, i think this is what made Proboards popular, admins knowing they could come to support and get help even if Proboards staff were not available.
I spent a lot of time in Support helpig others, and that was rewarded by being made Moderator and then GMod.
Even with the increased volunteer staff level there are members helping other members in the Support board.
Add to that there are other boards for general chat and assistance and it's a community.
As with any service you sign up for there are rules (TOS), it may look daunting to read, but mostly it's common sense, and if you find any content that is unsuitable for audiences in the PG13 rating, the abuse department will deal with it quickly and efficiently.
"Common sense" would dictate that if there is something amiss with a forum, you tell the Admins and give them a chance to rectify the problem.
On Monday 3 October I received an e-mail from the PB Abuse Department, thanking me for providing some information about certain malcontents who, when they aren't hacking into and deleting other forums, spend their time posting hate messages. 24 hours later, the very same Abuse Department shut down my successful and orderly forum without any warning whatsoever.
Five e-mails to the Abuse Department provoked only the response that they had the right to terminate any forum they liked without warning, and they weren't obliged to give any "why" reason. To this day, I am none the wiser as to why my forum was closed, and I will never use ProBoards again.
I'm not going to get into a debate about this, but i'll give a generalisation
If there is any possible chance that the board in question can be corrected, then usually a warning is sent out with a time limit for correction, but if there seems to be no chance of easily correcting the issue then the board is removed.
In essence, the TOS is your warning, this is something the admins agree on before getting their board.
You have to consider that deleting a board is counter productive as it reduces income from advertising on that board, and like yourself you say you'll never use it again, so deletion is not taken lightly, i believe Proboards are fair when making decisions like this.
How can it be "fair" to fail to give any warnings and even refuse to give a reason why a forum has been deleted? It's the sort of behaviour I would expect from North Korea, not a Californian company.
The fact that the guy doesn't even have the foggiest clue why his board was deleted somewhat suggests that it was distinctly not fair. I mean, if he'd been hosting something that was obviously in breach of the ToS and so flagrantly so that the mods didn't see it as worth even warning him first, do you think he'd be complaining here? Hell, for that matter, if it was so blatent that he had no case, then what does ProBoards have to lose by telling him why his board was deleted? The ToS may give them the right to refuse to give a reason, but it sure as hell does not oblige them not to.
If they actually had a genuinely good reason for deleting his forum, then the obvious thing to do (from a business viewpoint) is to tell him, because that might reduce his anger somewhat. If, on the other hand, they did not have a good reason, then not telling him becomes far more sensible. So, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn from the fact that they did not tell him is that they know damn well that their reason wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, and thus think it's better to leave the doubt there by saying nothing at all.
when they aren't hacking into and deleting other forums,
Did you give them Evidence about the hackers because thats a very serious Allegation to make.
IF you did not then i can see why your forum went down.
Maybe your not giving the whole story here.
I have to say that seeing the many topics on the Support Forum about deleted boards made me nervous. Eventhough I did not break any TOS, I was never comfortable. I think Proboards was bad luck for me because a few weeks after signing up, me and 2 members got a computer virus from one of their ads. It was that pop-up that takes over your computer and try to sale you a virus cleaner to clean their infection! Anyway, I should have been worried then because they took no responsibilities (just pointed me to their TOS). I then paid $7 each month for the next 9 months I was with Proboards to be ad free just because I was afraid of what happened. 8 months after the infection, they lost a server and guest what? My board went down and was restored 30 days earlier. I had just finished giving a $199 ebook reader as a posting promotion (for 60 days, from the 20 most active posters, 1 was randomly chosen to win the grand prize). That was a huge investment for me and the fact that I lost 30 days of postings was painful (over 8,000 posts for that month)! Yes, I was very angry. That's when Proboards Support said that it's ok if I back up my own board and I should take part of the responsibility.
I admit, when I started my board 10 months prior, I did not understand anything about bulletin software or how to set one up. When I searched fast and easy boards, Proboards was one of the 1st to come up. I did not realize what I got myself into until a few weeks later. I should have moved then but I was still confused.
Anyway, that last episode sent me to Google, where I searched terms like backing up Proboards Forum etc. To my surprise, I ran into a topic of people who had Proboards but were able to move them to phpBB and SMF using a script. I was still a green horn and it took a week to get a copy of the script and another 2 weeks of reading about the other 2 software's and shared hosting before I got the nerve to use the script. I successfully moved my Proboards to phpBB and my shared hosting cost $1.01 less than Proboards smallest ad removal a month. I have a cpanel and I'm in complete control. 4 days later Proboards took my old board offline. When I quoted their advice of backing up my own board (since I had the backup, it was mine to do what I want with it so I loaded to the phpBB software), it was stated to me, I was suppose to copy & paste the topics! Mind you by that time, even with the lost of 8,000 posts, my board still had a little over 17,000 posts! Then again they pointed to their TOS! What a surprise. They hide behind it when they messed-up my computer 10 months prior and again when they lost 8,000 of my board postings; now backing up my forum per their advice since I did not spend a month copying and pasting (that still seems ridiculous even 11 months later), no script allowed I was told!
Anyway, Proboards is made up of some really cool people. Some were very helpful but the product did not work for me. If you are going to up a lot of effort into your board, Proboards is not for you. If you don't care and just want easy and you are willing to start over, then it's a good starting software. I would recommend a good ad blocker though if you are going that route!
The forum software 'as supplied' does not use any form of pop up advertising, most commonly any pop up will have come from a third party, like as part of a code you added to customise the forum, seen it too many times in the past.
If you are going to customise the forum you would be better getting help from the coding boards within the support board, all current codes have been checked and should be safe.
As for the backing up, this is something that is a work in progress, V5 has a lot more to offer.
I get you're a Gmod, but quit sucking up and kissing ProBoard's ass. They have a lot of faults, faults the staff (including moderators) fail to admit to.
Yeah, I get it, you have a hater's stick up your @$$. The staff admit the right amount of faults, but they don't blare it out all over the place - doing that just invites more attackers, and repels business anyways.
As Patrick said, wait for V5. [i]I absolutely dare you to review that update negatively without whining about deleted forums, or discussion in Proboards Support.[/i]
No, I did not mean that the ad was a pop-up. The pop-ups was after the infection. Once my computer was infected, I would get all these pop-ups and this software stating that I have malware and for $29.99, it would clean it up!
I have had a wonderful experience with proboards!
I have had an on going role play since 2000. We moved to Proboards in 2006 and they do not mess with anything!
It is easy to use, organize and they are very understanding when I have contacted them about the large amount of boards.
I realize, I could be one of those with a bad experience just as easily.. However, I have had nothing but good to say about them.
Search their support forum (manually as their search function bombs out) for boards that have been terminated without cause. No warnings, no emails and no reason even after sending email requests. What was my forum about that was so bad? How about a private school in Maryland where parents that pay $$$ each year don't get respect from the Principal.
Ivan , I am waiting for your answer.
I’m afraid that I’m not at your beck and call. I’ve started a new forum, with a different provider of course. Setting it up and contacting members of the old forum is taking up a great deal of my time.
If you bothered to read my earlier comments, you would see that I had a very favourable impression of ProBoards until 4 October. When our forum was hacked into and deleted on successive nights in August, Craig Suffolk and Ricky Zyvoloski were very reassuring and extremely helpful.
Yes, hacking is a very serious matter, as News International staff have found out. I proved to the ProBoards Abuse Department who the hacker was, but they said they were unable to ban him from all their boards because he is expert at using proxy IPs. They certainly weren’t interested in pursuing a prosecution for an offence which apparently is quite commonplace with forums, and they probably didn’t want that kind of publicity.
As I’ve explained above, no warning or reason was ever given for the sudden deletion of my forum on 4 October. My attempts on the support forum to draw attention to that arbitrary decision landed me with a 10% warning, so I’ve given up trying to get to the bottom of the matter and am concentrating on building up a new forum.
To those people who say “there must have been a good reason for the deletion”, my reply is that if there was a good reason, why couldn’t they simply tell me? As I will never know the reason, I can only make intelligent guesses. Firstly, perhaps ProBoards disliked the thread started by a Labour MP on the subject of corporate accountability. Secondly, and more probably, someone at ProBoards took the easy and lazy way out when dealing with the continuing trouble started by the hacker and his friend. They went to another forum, made trouble there, and when they were kicked out of there started a forum of their own. That was used primarily to post endless vitriol and malicious lies about me and my forum and, to my knowledge they received two warnings. In quick succession, all three forums were closed down, even though mine had done nothing wrong. I guess (and without any explanation I can only guess) that ProBoards decided to throw out the baby with the very soiled bath water.
And now if you don’t mind, I want to look forward, not back, and so I won’t be responding to any more of your demands to appear here.
Spend your time and brain energy somewhere else. Proboards is a drag with uber-poor administration and crappy formatting. They can do much better and should. The question is, 'Will they?'
Everything that Ivan White and Snowyflake have posted is dead on the money. Both Ivan White and Snowyflake spent many months since 19 March 2011 wrestling a ProBoards forum into excellence, both visually and content=wise, only to see the result of their hard work erased, on 4 October 2011 at approximately 23:15 GMT+1 (18:15 EDT, 15:15 PDT), with neither stated cause nor warning, by Patrick Clinger and his associates. In my opinion, ProBoards is an atrocious service, operated by people who do not care about other people, and who do not understand the concept of conducting business with honor.
I recommend that anyone currently operating a ProBoards-hosted forum immediately seek and find another host for their forum, and I also recommend that they do not communicate their intentions to ProBoards.
Everything that Ivan White,Snowyflake and RockOnBrother have posted is dead crappy.
Do people really think Proboards took the forum offline because a fictatious Mp was on that forum.
Was the Queen on the forum as well.
They went against the Tos simple as.
Yes, the ToS were breached, because simply by having a forum you are breaching them, under their "we can delete you for any reason we damn well like" clause. However, the very fact that they delete a forum which seems to have been doing nothing wrong without explanation or warning is a very good reason for other people to be cautious of using ProBoards. After all, if it can happen to them, what is to stop it happening to you? I mean, their ToS are rather stringent and give you essentially no rights whatsoever, and whilst people who say that it doesn't make commercial sense for them to suspend a forum without a reason, what makes a valid reason to them isn't necessarily the same as something that would seem reasonable to someone hosting a forum.
For instance, if your forum is being constantly disrupted by hackers and they are spending more time fixing the problems than they are gaining from hosting the forum, then it is in their commercial interests to cut service to you, even though you have done nothing wrong. Which could perhaps be considered acceptable if they gave some level of warning (so the owner could find an alternate host), the chance to back up the data and an explanation, but they gave none of those. As a result, Ivan has the entire contents of the forum through (seemingly) no fault of his own, and that could happen to anyone if they're unlucky enough to get into a situation where hosting their forum does not make commercial sense to ProBoards.
Tell me, do you really think it's wise to encourage people to host their forum with a provider who has been shown to delete forums without warning or explanation? Because I certainly don't....
Oh, and BTW, the fact that you can't work out how to post without using the standard template doesn't exactly bode well for the intelligence of your argument....
"The Truth" do you call yourself? How dare you! The "fictitious MP" (shame you aren't literate enough to spell the word) was Lisa Nandy, Labour MP for Wigan, who was more than happy to post on our forum on the subject of corporate accountability. Don't take my word for it - I'm sure you'd rather align yourself with Clinger and his henchmen - but you could ask her:-
With Snowyflake, I ran a reputable forum called Cutting Edge. I appreciated the fact that ProBoards had provided us with a home for MSN refugees after their boards closed in March. If ProBoards had told me that our forum was offending them in any way, I would have rectified the matter immediately. Sadly, they did not do so. They gave us no warnings, no indication that anything was amiss, and closed our forum - and then refused to give us any explanation as to why they had done so. I will never use ProBoards again, and neither will anyone else who suffers the same experience.
Oh, and by the way, the fact that you use abbreviations does not exactly bode well for the intelligence of your fictatious argment.
Since when is using abbreviations a sign of a lack of intelligence?
On the other hand, the inability to use the delete key on your keyboard to remove the clearly superfluous standard template before posting most defintely is. Well, that or extreme laziness, anyway....
Oh, are you waiting for my posts so that you can try to be clever.
Are you an ex member of the forum that was taken offline because Admin went against the Tos.
Well if you are i can see why the forum was taken offline with the likes of people like you.
The forum was taken offline because it went against Proboards Tos and you do not like it simple as.
Actually, I'm an ex-member of a completely different forum that was taken offline by ProBoards. And, no, I'm not "wating for your posts", this site has a "notify me when new comments are posted" function.
As for Ivan's forum, what makes you so sure it was taken offline because it went against the ProBoards ToS? We have absolutely zero information on why it was taken offline, other than that it was done under the generic "we can delete your forums without warning for any reason we damn well like" part of it, which proves absolutely nothing.
I explained in my post how the forum could have been deleted without them being at fault, and you have provided absolutely no evidence that this is not the case, only blind assertions that ProBoards couldn't possibly have acted that way.
Well, guess what, they did. Ivan's case proves it, because if they had a real, genuine reason, why not tell him?
The TOS are Terms of Shite in any reasonable world. If you are providing a service and you delete a perfectly functioning well used forum without reason then your service is shite IMO. So the bottom line is we live and learn. Proboards is a crap service created by a crap provider and administered by crap administrators. Having been on the receiving end of Proboards so-called service, I think I am perfectly correct in pointing it out to any other interested parties.
Key point: Get your forum hosted by ANYONE other than Proboards.
18. OBJECTIONABLE CONTENT
You represent and warrant that you shall not use the Website or Services to upload, post, transmit, display, perform or distribute any content, information or materials that: (a) are libelous, defamatory, abusive, or threatening, excessively violent, harassing, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or pornographic; (b) constitute child pornography; (c) solicit personal information from or exploit in a sexual or violent manner anyone under the age of 18; (d) incite, encourage or threaten physical harm against another; (e) promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of people; (f) glamorize the use of hard core illegal substances and drugs; (g) advertise or otherwise solicit funds or constitute a solicitation for goods or services; ( violate any provision of this Agreement or any other ProBoards agreement or policy, including without limitation ProBoards' Community Guidelines; or (i) is generally offensive or in bad taste, as determined by ProBoards (collectively, "Objectionable Content"). PROBOARDS DISCLAIMS ANY PERCEIVED, IMPLIED OR ACTUAL DUTY TO MONITOR THE CONTENTS OF THE WEBSITE AND SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR INFORMATION PROVIDED HEREON. Without limiting any of its other remedies, ProBoards reserves the right to terminate Your use of the Website and Services or Your uploading, posting, transmission, display, performance or distribution of Objectionable Content. ProBoards, in its sole discretion, may delete any Objectionable Content from its servers. ProBoards intends to cooperate fully with any law enforcement officials or agencies in the investigation of any violation of this Agreement or of any applicable laws.
What does posting a chunk of the ProBoards ToS have to do with this argument...?
They also told me it was OK to backup my data after the disk failure. They TOS also said it was OK. But they are obviously morons because how in the heck can you personally backup a Proboards without the use of a script? So I'm not able to hold them responsible for losing a month of my data but I'm also responsible for protecting that data by making sure I have a copy on my hard drive! But they delete my forum for making a backup using a script. Their TOS is a contradiction because they don't give you any valid mechanism to make a backup of your site. They are like a dictatorship and they know if people can have a copy of their database, most would dump Proboards. That's exactly what I did when I was able to get a copy of my database!
b) YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR LOSS OR DAMAGE; BACKUP OF DATA
YOU AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE WEBSITE AND SERVICES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. YOU WILL NOT HOLD PROBOARDS OR ITS LICENSORS AND SUPPLIERS, AS APPLICABLE, RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE THAT RESULTS FROM YOUR ACCESS TO OR USE OF THE WEBSITE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE TO ANY OF YOUR COMPUTERS OR DATA. THE INFORMATION AND SERVICES MAY CONTAIN BUGS, ERRORS, PROBLEMS OR OTHER LIMITATIONS.
IMPORTANTLY, YOU HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A CATASTROPHIC DISK FAILURE OR OTHER EVENT COULD RESULT IN THE LOSS OF ALL OF THE DATA RELATED TO YOUR ACCOUNT. YOU AGREE AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BACKUP YOUR DATA TO YOUR PERSONAL COMPUTER OR EXTERNAL STORAGE DEVICE AND TO ENSURE SUCH BACKUPS ARE SECURE.
Argument , not at all.
Just a few pointers.
All you have to do is review some of the comments from those above to see what the Cons are. Just read through some of the responses above which were posted to defend ProBoards. Want to receive a smug, "we know better than you" response like that when you have a problem? I doubt it.
Proboards isnt about providing a service, its about dictating what people can and cant talk about on the internet.
Read this line which comes directly from their TOS and was posted above: You represent and warrant that you shall not use the Website or Services to upload, post, transmit, display, perform or distribute any content, information or materials that:...
is generally offensive or in bad taste, as determined by ProBoards (collectively, "Objectionable Content")
You read that correctly. If an admin of Proboards thinks something you, or someone just stopping by your forum, posts is in "bad taste", you forum will be wiped. I'll bet you $1 I can find something I could deem as "bad taste" on ANY forum on the internet.
If you are thinking about creating a forum, steer well clear of this one.
Actually, that particular line is entirely irrelevant, because of the bit of the ToS that says "we can shut down your account for any reason we like". So, even if you don't have "Objectionable Content", you're not necessarily safe. And, if you don't think that they'll use that provision, you only have to look a few posts up to see that they actually do.
"someone just stopping by your forum, posts is in 'bad taste' ..."
Or if some troll wants to see if he can get it wiped out, just for a few lulz ...
Summary: They're CRAP.
Move on and stop moaning.
Gee, how terrible, people are complaining about a forum on a site designed for giving reviews on that forum.
How dare they!
proboards support would be much more fun if they would just ban robert, he has single handedly destroyed that forum.
Proboards is about as un-American as you can get. Dictatorial and no sense of decent customer service. They get no recommendation from me.
I have been using Proboards for over 6 years now, and they are great for the following reasons:
- Good support.
- Very convenient and easy to use.
- I love the ability to change your display name.
- I love the ability to see the ten/twenty/whatever you pick recent posts easily.
- I love the ability to see the users logged in within the last 24 hours.
As for taking forums down, well, its really not fair to blame them for doing it 'without any warning' since they do give you 48 hours notice and by letting you keep objectionable content THEY might get sued...why would anyone do this for you?
Well, I see Des has got his pom-poms out for Proboards. It has been our experience that there is no warning and our boards and others were taken down without warning or recourse. No explanation. We didn't have objectionable content and Proboards arbitrarily took the board down. Personally, I would never use them again. It's convenient and easy to use if you are a computer programmer. It's not easy to use for the average person. Anyway, they are rubbish IMO and I don't recommend them in the slightest.
They might get sued for objectionable content? Really? Google a woman's name...any name. Turn safe search off. Now click on "images". Count how many there are before the first nude/pornographic one. You really believe there is a rash of litigation out there over "objectionable content" on websites? PULLEESE.
The Proboards censorship is about control and being though-police. Has nothing to do with what's legal.
Just because you can find objectionable content all over the web doesn't mean that ProBoards has to allow it. ProBoards is one of the FEW sites that actually cares what a child sees. Yes, you may find things on a ProBoards site that might be objectionable, but as soon as it is reported, it is gone. If an admin of a ProBoards forum allows their members to post that kind of material, they are just pointing a loaded gun at their own site.
If the site is deleted, the members should be angry at the admin, not at ProBoards. Also, as was stated many times before here in these reviews, if a site is removed, the admin of that site had been warned, via email to the email address they used when they signed up for the board. It's not ProBoards' problem if the admin doesn't check their email or changed it but didn't change it in their admin panel. In addition, if the admin notifies the abuse department, and follows their instructions, most times they can get their forum back.
I laugh at those who consider the TOS to be all about control. Is it wrong to protect someone's copyright? Is it wrong to protect what children see?
Well, ignoring for the moment the fact that there is absolutely no reason why ProBoards should care about the content of individual forums, which may well have explicit policies to prevent children accessing them, repeatedly stating that ProBoards will do something doesn't make it any more true.
Several people on here have shown quite conclusively that ProBoards does not always warn them before closing the site, and nor does it necessarily even give a reason for doing so, or any possibility of having it reinstated. Further, if you do happen to fall foul of the ProBoards ToS, there is no way to obtain the data from your forum. ProBoards does not allow backups (beyond manual ones, which are quite simply not possible for a large forum) and will not give you the data if you decide to move elsewhere or are forced to do so by their decision.
So, if you sign up for a ProBoards forum, then you can never allow any form of content that might be considered non-child-safe (and, that doesn't only include pornographic pictures, even discussion of such things might fall foul of it), and you can never move elsewhere without losing all the posts that people previously made. Which, if you're running a website about children's TV or something is probably just fine, but if you're running a website that might have any need to ever even reference adult content (such as a Role Playing site, or potentially even a political discussion site), then you would be well advised to keep well away.
You might think you don't need it now, but can you really be sure that you won't need it in five years time?
If someone's page was deleted "without warning" then there was content on that page that was so objectionable that it had to be removed immediately.
READ the TOS, people. It clearly defines what is allowed and what is not. If you decide to host copyrighted material on your site, it IS against the TOS. If you post adult images or write adult RPG posts, it IS against the TOS. You cannot put "Rated Mature" or "Rated R" on your site and think that it will somehow magically cause the TOS not to apply. As for RPGs, you all are supposed to be great writers, correct? Well, great writers can write around the adult content. Fade to black, leave it up to the reader's imagination. Subtly hint. Some of the best movies out there don't have to show EVERYTHING.
I'm sure ProBoards has lawyers that advise them what can lead to a lawsuit. ProBoards is NOT simply just a couple of guys sitting in a basement doing coding. ProBoards is a business. The fact that they need to protect that business should be obvious, but judging from the griping and poor-me posts that are being shown here, I don't think many of you have even given that a thought.
Our site was a political debating forum. No adult content whatsoever. Deleting forums without warning or recourse is a bad business in my opinion. Any self-respecting business would allow for at least a reason and opportunity to remedy whatever infraction of the TOS was there. A lot of work went into our forum only to have it taken offline arbitrarily and without reason. Try again Proboards. Your cheerleaders are not convincing me.
And you're not convincing me. I hardly think ProBoards would waste its time deleting a debate forum without just cause. Do you really think they sit in their office every day saying, "hm...whose forum can we delete now?" Pah-leeeze.
No, but the fact that they had a reason does not mean that it was a good reason. And, the fact that they're unwilling to answer questions about what that reason was somewhat suggests that they know damn well that it's not.
For all you know, they could have been paid money by some opponent of the forum to shut it down. That would be perfectly in line with their "commercial interests", but it sure as hell wouldn't be in line with the interests of the users.
Yes, Proboards do close forums based on their commercial interests, but the same applies to companies dumping toxic waste in a lake. That does not in any way make them right.
How is saying that they might not actually have a good reason for having deleted someone's forum "paranoia" when they refused to provide an explanation and the person who owned the forum has attested that there was nothing wrong with it? I'm simply being logical.
"they could have been paid money by some opponent of the forum to shut it down" is the part to which I was referring.
I wasn't seriously suggesting that, I was just pointing out that you don't know that they weren't, and really have no reason to believe that they weren't because they've given no actual answer as to what happened.
"If someone's page was deleted 'without warning' then there was content on that page that was so objectionable that it had to be removed immediately."
Google this: "assertiveness training" and "broken record technique". Then take a look at what our apologist for Proboards is doing in this forum.
Summary: I don't think you can find a better free forum. I know, I've tried them all, many of which, I had no idea how to get started and gave up after hours of frustration. I'm not saying there aren't awesome alternatives to ProBoards once you figure out how to use them but for me, I didn't have to spend hours and hours trying to figure things out on ProBoards.
A mention about the above poster who says you will be warned if your forum is about to be deleted. This is only true if it is deemed correctable (minor infractions) and I've seen time and time again, administrators given a 2nd chance to clean up their forum. If your site is flooded with inappropirate content, copyright infringement and other TOS breaking infringements, then you may not be warned and there is no one to blame but the admin of that site. So for those who are whining about their forum being deleted, I believe they know full well why it was deleted, but they are just ticked because they didn't get away with breaking the TOS or didn't bother to read the Terms of Service.
Thumbs up ProBoards.
Haha! Which administrator of Proboards are you? Our site was neither flooded with inappropriate content nor copyright infringement nor any other TOS breaking infringements. Thumbs down Proboards. Perhaps you would be so kind as to post your forum address so we can all see how well your forum is doing and why you think Proboards is just so tops!
Again, you're just assuming that they must obviously have had such content, simply because you cannot believe that ProBoards are not whiter-than-white. What makes you so sure of this? Are you privy to the commercial decisions of the company running ProBoards? Do you have access to the minds of everyone who makes the decisions about which boards to delete?
ProBoards will violate your privacy and pander to trolls who report forums. The truth is you can report any forum you like and if you report it enough, they'll just delete it.
Patrick Clinger with his Pedo Bear logo and motif is the last person you want to deal with. When Craig ran it, it was better.
You can see snide little Clinger on YT with his "OMG No way" movie. That, people, is what you're dealing with! Stay clear of ProBoards!
How does ProBoards violate your privacy? If you're going to slam the service, at least leave some reasons, not vague generalities.
I know of one particular case where someone's privacy was violated in such a manner that the perpetrator even flaunted and bragged about in a livejournal. So you can stop playing game Clinger. I know someone with a very popular blog, visited by thousands of people and they want to get their hands on these details too and really spread the word about how covert, unreliable and otright stinky underhanded shit Pro Boards pulls.
Again, you're not giving any details. HOW were they violated?
Do you hang out here, Clinger, just to try to berate and ward off people who could expose some very damaging things about how you run the service?
There's some people gathering info and they'll get it some way. You piss off enough people and you get what you give. If you insist on being an asshole, with no concern for people or their lives and work you'll get the same treatment down the road. Your problems are just beginning. But that's what you wanted.
You see, it's all about connections and knowing the right people.
For one thing, I'm female, hahahhaha. Not even remotely Patrick Clinger.
You still haven't answered my question.
If you say so.
*looks in pants* Nope, no penis.
And Patrick Clinger has no penis either, so what's your point?
Ha ha ha ha. Your final statement totally indicates your level of maturity. I certainly wouldn't listen to a review from someone who resorts to grade school insults. Very nice.
Excuse me? My "final" statement? Your maturity level seems more in question here since you brought up the subject of a penis. You just act like one, but someone indicating you're Patrick Clinger while you kept yammering on is what I'd call a troll. Someone made a statement and said what had happened and you tried to refute it without knowing a damn thing about it and now you're just trolling here. Take your collective head out of your ass and go promote your android apps to all forums. The admins who have been rather victimized by pb are moving in ways you can't even imagine. While Clinger owns the damned service, he doesn't have the personal relationships with the people he's done wrong. Those people are members and mods on many other forums and talk with people in those forums.
Believe me, that little android app is being treated like the plague thanks to word of mouth and the fact that those admins will listen to the people they know and have those personal interactions with above some CEO who's only goal in life is to act like some pompous asshat. Go away little troll. You don't need to read anyone's comments here since they upset you so.
I think you've just proven my point even more succinctly.
As if you had a point to begin with. All you did was jump in the middle and say basically "I don't wanna read reviews by whomever" and meanwhile you still respond to that person! The only point you've proven, IMO, is that you are a troll and work for proboards.
Just going to throw this out there. With any website service provider, that you DO NOT own, aren't you already taking a risk because you are NOT in full control of it?
ALL providers have pros and cons, and have negative and positive supporters. You're taking a risk NO MATTER WHO you're using to support your forums.
I've never personally had my forum deleted by the staff of proboards. But that doesn't mean i'm gung-ho about it either. I've been on Invisionfree, freewebs among other forums as well... I find the customizable nature of proboards relatively simple to use. Though I can navigate around another if I have to. I do agree that not always are the staff helpful, they can be in some cases but more often I find it's the members... then again a lot of them, are very cliquey. Which is incredibly annoying, but what can you do about it?
I do agree however, section 25 a) of TOS is utter bullshit. If you're going to be in violation of the TOS for just having a forum, and that they can delete it whenever they please, it's really distasteful. I'd personally recommend it for a beginner starting their own forums... but I also just stick with it because i get the best results...
I think it's hilarious that 222 votes were for the Unusable and Inefficient selection. If you have problems using ProBoards, then you probably have problems combing your hair in the morning.
Your comment is racist to people with dreadlocks. I suppose you comb your superior race hair every two minutes.
This is a troll comment. Really? Racist? He's talking about hair, not color of skin. It would make sense if you were to say, prejudice, but you didn't.
It's called sarcasm, but a narcissistic clueless moron like you wouldn't get that. Rebecca it must be a dark living for you with your head so far up proboards' ass. Not only that, proboards is a tight ass so you're living life inside one hell of a tight ass. Do you even get paid? Enough to buy a sandwich?
Yes, this is the Internet, but you don't have to be cruel. Seriously, stop trolling.
Here's what I saw; a sarcastic comment given to another comment where someone was being mocked about combing their hair. Then the inevitable rebutal. So yeah, I probably came off as a little cruel and snippy but that's what I saw from that other guy. The pressures that ProBoards puts on people and some they've totally railroaded gets under my skin a tad and well I hate suck-ups (even if you aren't a suck-up for real) especially when ProB is just flat out wrong. Ivan & co. did have a point. Many points.
Pros: easy to use once you get used to it.
Cons: Living in fear of when the button will be pressed against your forum. Walking on eggshells. Having to make everything Walt Disney goodness and wholesome because PB doesn't like gorwn ups or grown up forums. So naturally people let it rip here.
Yeah, requiring everything to be PG-13 is pretty damn stringent, and totally unnecessary. I can understand them not wanting to host porn sites, but they are far more restrictive than that.
Personally, I find it very "unuseable", because every time I try to get at the forum, I see an "account suspended" message and am unable to access the thousands of posts I made or the tens of thousands that other people made....
Summary: I would, personally, recommend Proboards. I have used it for over three years now, whether as a member or an admin creating my own site. I enjoy the variety of codes and the feeling of turning a dull, lifeless site into a bright, vibrant, active community. Some flaws, however, are simply the size of the community. Three million boards, and over two hundred million members is quite daunting. There are over one hundred staff on the Support Forum, and that is also a bit frightening. ( To myself at least. Keep in mind I'm going off of personal experience. (; ) Many members I've encountered are friendly and helpful. I haven't spoken with Support staff yet as I have not yet had a reason to.
I've seen that some people complain about their forum getting deleted without cause, and I must say, this has never happened to me personally. They do delete long-standing forums, yes. But I've heard it is because they have been unused for over three years. I might be mistaken.
I've tried other hosting sites such as Yola and InvisionFree, but I always return to Proboards. All in all, I would recommend this webhosting site for beginners and people who enjoy simplicity. I myself enjoy it very much.
Well, yeah, it hasn't happened to you, and nor is it likely to, in all honesty. However, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be worried about the potential for it to happen or consider it carefully when making a choice, any more than the fact that you're unlikely to have a car accident means you shouldn't bother to wear your seatbelt....
But what you're saying is that just ditch the car altogether, because you might get in a wreck. *shrug*
No, I'm saying to go find a better car that doesn't explode if you do
Just two little points; there are currently 25 staff members at PB Support. 10 of those are Admins, due to being PB Office Staff who need to use the forums, hence their 'PB.com Staff' Admin title. The rest are mainly a combination of support and 'general' staff for a huge forum that has a large posting userbase.
Additionally, anyone that has spoken with the support staff (possibly excepting the "why did you delete my forum for breaking the rules I agreed to" types) will tell you that they are friendly, efficient and - even in the case of unpaid volunteers, which is almost all of them - a pleasure to deal with.
Summary: I was thinking of moving my site from a private host over to proboards. Some of the previous reasons why I did not choose proboards in the past, I found, had scripts you could use to work around them. I was pretty sure of my decision to transfer until I read up about the TOS and their PG-13 rating, among other things. Now, my site is just a wolf rpg, so its not extremely sexual or anything, but I do like to allow content to be 100% up to the members, such as killing, raping, breeding, etc. (not entirely realistic to wolves, but we allow them to talk in the rp as well, so a few human qualities are allowed). I'm pretty sure if Proboards ever stumbled across my site and found a thread where one character ripped out the other's throat in graphic detail, it would be deleted without warning, so I guess Proboards is no longer an option for me.
The free forums I investigated also have a PG-13 rating clause. Some of the RPG's hosted on those other free forums are in violation of their TOS. So their not any different from Proboards. They also reserve the right to delete your board if they feel its in violation of the TOS.
Best software ever. hands down, no arguement.
I've been working with ProBoards for years. The only problem I've ever had is understanding coding and they've explained it easily and quickly. I find it to be one of the best sites I've ever worked with and any other site makers confuse me. Proboards is easy, clear, and they've got great staff for help. I don't know why there are people that say it sucks because they've never gotten help or anything when all you have to do is talk to one of the MANY staff members or high-up members there for help to get your problem fixed. It's always been that easy. They've always been my favorite site to use for anything.
When you can't say anything like the truth, because they play God or the oppression of people's rights, let me know how you feel about them then. Their grip is getting tighter, their spam is getting heavier, their android is in the toilet. Serves them right.
I've never had those problems before, so I don't suppose I could tell you then. Not one of my many forums I've created and/or played on have had an issue with them or any of the problems like 'random delete' or 'lost files' like some people claim to have. I'm not saying that hasn't happened to them, but I haven't had an issue from the years I've worked with ProBoards. And a few of my friends and i who use the android app don't have problems with it, so no idea what you're talking about there?
I think Clinger picks and chooses who he wants to mess with. There was also no reason to demote some of the staff. You're either under his radar or he just hasn't picked you out yet.
I'm sorry you feel that way, I haven't seen any activity like that :/ However i am open minded so I won't say that would never happened, maybe I am under their radar. I would hope that however is not the case
There's always something that totally baffles people and takes them by surprise. Not to go off-topic but people in high ranking positions can be just plain evil. They fired someone at Google for doing some crap there and giving unauthorized access to some lunatic whom that employee knew personally. They just convicted a former coach from a university for molesting children, and there was something in the news about a guy much like Clinger, who owned his own little servers and had some sites up and they found out he'd been using routers or some torrents or whatever to download pirated movies and used his database of the wealth of memberships as back up email accounts that he somehow had access to. So in this world, anything is possible. Sad but true.
Also reading through other people's experiences here, there is doubt in my mind that Clinger is transparent in any of his dealings with people. In fact I'd venture to say he's not forthcoming or fair. Especially if he really did read other people's PMs, sided with stalker-bullies to destroy forums that had no public feature, violate the privacy of the fates of forums and take pay offs from a political entity that hated what a forum had to say about politicians, who are "famous figures" and all of the other stuff I've read. And demoting some of his staff, I wonder why. If they did something, why are they still staff? I think Clinger is a boy with some power and some money. He hasn't grown up.
Might I ask which staff in particular you are referencing? I haven't read the entire comment list, so I may have missed it, but I'm interested to know which staff members you believe were unfairly let go.
Clinger has done shit you'd think was just unbelievable. He demoted staff for ridiculous reasons and some of that staff were just better at picking and choosing by way of decernment. Clinger sides in with stalkers and trolls, while some staff could side in with the victims and allow then the freedom to gather and discuss their own experiences, in private. Clinger sided in with the bully because the bully's "friend" offered a big-time threat or money to help the sociopaths who kept reporting a forum, and trying to dos it, and always trolling with different IDs and IPs.
Clinger has received funds according to some new info we've uncovered.
Proboards sucks because they have the strictest rules beyond anything else. Yet they wanna sell their app. feature while ripping out people's forums over some of the stupidest reasons, like the use of language even if they were saying it privately. It's a dead zone and because of their "Pro-hiBition" attitude they just don't get it. They're clueless. They don't even know history so prohibition would be lost on them.
So what's a better alternative?
I want to know this too.
I looked at other free forums, and their TOS is similar to Proboards. Any free service has a TOS that generally has a lot of set rules and regulations when signing up with them. It's a free service. It's to be expected.
Sure, the ToS is pretty much standard for a free forum (simply because it makes their life far easier if they come across a genuine troublemaker who is willing and able to sue them for everything they've got), but the simple fact is that there are plenty of actual examples given here of forums being shut down for little or no reason. I don't know if other free forums are any better (the site we used to have on ProBoards before they kicked us off now has private hosting and a self-run board), but I do know that the scary clauses in the ProBoards ToS are very definitely not there "just in case".
Proboards do not follow their own TOS, I have reported theft of my images/intellectual property and they still allow rouge forums to display what they like. In my opinion Proboards stretch out their ToS on a member basis! The owner is a tosser and I challenge him/her on a live you tube interview!!!
Take me on - I dare you!
Just to add to what I have said, Proboards is a good software and saves loads of time, its easy to use, versatile and problems are easy sort via their terrific support forum. But In my opinion Proboards DO NOT follow their own Terms of Service, Proboards seems to help forums with the most member base despite illegal use of intellectual property.
Lets get on it guys and Sue Patrick Clinger for failing to carry out his own TOS.
I think the exact opposite is true. They are very strict about their TOS.
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To me, this seems like unfounded bashing. :/ Do you have any proof of this? Screenshots and the like would be preferable.
Um, I have the actual emails from some idiot named Ginny. & I'm seriously considering making them public. I would have already but someone else is being harassed due to Clinger's actions so I would need to take out that person's personal info since that's who they're attacking.
Then please do. I don't want copy+paste, I want screenshots and/or scans. If it's typed up, then it could be faked. Thank you.
How about I just forward them to you? What's your email? You think you can just come off as a challenger to what I know is a fact? This just reminds me of more of the same old corporate thugs doing their dirty work for them. Give me an email and I'll be more than happy to forward you the actual emails I got. Oh and screenshots we have plenty of! Despite the fact that the troll they kissed up to and didn't even BOTHER to look into what people were actually saying is the one stirring up all the trouble tries to hide the evidence by posting and then removing it and they still won't come down off their high horses and realize they made a mistake in ASSUMING something they pig-headedly jumped on the bandwagon for. Their "lawyer" didn't intimidate me and neither do you.
Forgive me, I didn't mean to come off as intimidating. Me email is firstname.lastname@example.org.
Easy for forum admins to use no matter what your skill level, and many resources for admins who want to gain skills (technical and otherwise). Lots of support for novices, lots of leeway for experts. Realistic "supervision" by TPTB. Great for those who want to explore, not so much for those who want to challenge the system and trash the world. I'd have given 5 stars if I had more experience with other hosts, but I've been so happy with ProBoards I've never looked around.
They take the legalities seriously and DO enforce TOS. Intent seems to be important to them - they give opportunities to fix mistakes. But if your goal is to do whatever you want and to hell with everyone else
This is BS. I know several people who asked to fix things and wanted to work out something, and they were not even considered. They sure love to assume things or as you call it "intent" but they have been so completely wrong and mistaken on numerous occasions!
It is BS, really they could have just as easily said
Pros: Proboards yay yay.
Cons: You, the user. You are the asshole. It's all your fault, proboards makes no mistakes! How dare anyone suggest that!
Or you could always bash someone who is trying to make an actual critique instead of moaning about how anyone who likes Proboards is an imbecile. c:
Or people could do what you do, bash people who have a legitimate grievence with them while you moan about that, treating anyone who has been on the other end of their dictatorship as imbeciles. Like you basically just did.
Oh, on the contrary. I'm not bashing anyone! Honestly, the only place I've heard of these grievances are here. There's nothing else floating around the internet that I've come across, and out of all my friends who use Proboards, nobody else has these complaints. So forgive me if I come across as harsh or bashing, I'm just a little disbelieving.
I'm sure that some things like what are explained above have actually happened, don't get me wrong, but I also think that they have been exaggerated in the moment. \:
Proboards' automatic setup and admin software is very easy to use, and they provide excellent resources for admins who want to get into more complicated stuff but don't have the skills. They have a board for tech support and general problem-solving, and a separate board for admins to discuss everything from what color schemes are most effective to strategies for pleasing a wide range of posters.
Boards do get deleted, judging from the number of threads on the support board with a subject line of "My board was deleted!" I've seen final posts on those threads that thank TPTB and final posts that curse them out. For those who are reading these comments and don't know what to think, I suggest going to the support board at http://support.proboards.com/ and reading what's there, then judge for yourself. My experience with Proboards has been excellent; YMMV.
It's really unbelievable how blind some people can be when you think that pb isn't guilty of any wrong-doing or deleting someone based on baseless assumptions. They are men with power. Power corrupts. That is as prevailant today as it was then. And if you think this is the only place where people talk about how negative their experiences are with pb, you're living under a rock and pb can keep anything about them off google because they have (again) that power. They use that power all the time.
I've seen negative feedback about pb since Clinger started going ape-shit on everything. Not only here and on their own support boards but dozens of other forums as well. Try doing some research. Real research. It's out there.
The "thanks" that TPTB get are because someone was able to get their forum back. The rest, yeah I can see why people curse them out. I side in with the people who see through pb's act. I've seen public forums restored that still has lots of abuse and then the small hidden away forums that got axed because of someone with a vendetta from hell when the problem was a minor fix or the locking of threads or some small move like that.
Okay, Anonymous, you've expressed your dislike of Proboards very clearly. Some readers will be persuaded that Proboards is run by corrupt assholes who go ape-shit. Blind imbeciles who live under a rock might buy the BS that I posted. All of them are free to search for more information, read the support board posts, and make up their own minds. I encourage them to do so.
I very much doubt that the support board posts will contain any useful information, because the support board is very deliberately designed not to contain any real discussion of why the board was shut down, and any attempt to explain it in the forum would just be erased. So, all you can tell is how many there are, which says nothing about how reasonably ProBoards are acting.
Thank you! And people have gone off site to tell their stories and what happened to them. There are some who are still willing to work out something with Clinger but it's like talking to a brick wall and as one other person pointed out, Clinger would rather throw lawyers at someone than actually commit to any solution. Meanwhile the battles rages on.
I have not changed my mind; I was merely summarizing your comments, and you apparently accept that summary as accurate. We still have very different opinions of Proboards.
Readers who would rather have people like the Anonymous posters on their forum will probably have the same Proboards experience as the Anonymous posters and their friends.
Readers who would rather have people like me on their forum will probably have the same Proboards experience as mine.
Or, as I said in my original review: "If you think civility is stupid, you probably won't like Proboards.....if your goal is to do whatever you want and to hell with everyone else, this is not the place for you."
You claim you're not bashing anyone when that's exactly what you're doing! You basically say that anyone posting anonymously are A. not civil and dislike civility. B. they will have bad experiences with pb. Wow miriumarbuckle, you really do march in step and act every bit as a holier-than-thou self-important dweeb. You claim you don't bash people but you do, and you come off as condescending and as assinine. You sound like the banks who take money from the poor, foreclose on their houses and then tell them it's THEIR fault that they gambled with their money! To dare live indoors and all that.
Really do you even read your own posts? How about this, people who love pb have never been at the wrath of their staff. If suddenly Patrick Clinger were to find tennis shoes in "bad taste" and your forum mentions tennis shoes, you're dust. But that's okay because that's the CIVIL thing to do and Clinger makes NO mistakes, or misconceptions, or assumptions coming out his ass! He's so perfect and without fault that he can do whatever HE wants because people must realize he's so perfect and they must have somehing wrong with THEM! That's what you're saying. Go back to your camp-post, some Jews might be trying to escape and you gotta watch that gate! Zeig Heil!
The comments on my review have all been posted by "Anonymous," and they have all been strong criticisms of Proboards. I referred to those who commented on my review and had bad experiences at Proboards by using the screen name on the posts -- the Anonymous posters, not the anonymous posters.
There must be others who want to run the same kind of forums you do, and are here because they are looking for a hosting service. Which of the 16 free hosting forums reviewed here would you recommend as friendlier to your content? Which hosting service did your forum end up on? Like-minded forum owners would be able to save time, knowing which host to go to, based on your advice.
I'd like a stab at this. I'm posting anon because I can. You said in your comments that civility is what pb is all about but I have seen hard proof that pb (Clinger to be exact) talk to people in a manner that I would never call "civil". The words that come to mind are "hostile", "irrational" and "irrate". While there are other forum software to use, some people have gotten used to the pb format. Some people want to keep that but they can't deal with someone who simply will not listen or even care. I could tell you more but I think it would be a waste of time. I know what I know. Only the people who've been there can speak from experience. It's like the old saying goes.
Unlike the previous censored post, this thread is going too far.
WE are here to give our feedback about ProBoards, whenever you like it or not. Unburden your hate on it has no sense and is pointless here, more particularly because your reasoning only consists of talking about people working for ProBoards, and not the software itself. We talk about software here, not your personal feeling about someone.
I am not closing this thread because I want the discussion to be opened, but I will not hesitate removing any additional comments of the same (bad) level. Thank you for listening.
The software comes with the problems that their staff creates. This "bad" level seems to be proboards not wanting people to know about their dealings with the public and their agendas. Just sayin'
Right, but then, I'd say commenting the fact, that, from your point of view, the support is bad and does not fulfill your expectation is enough, don't you think? Please comment your experience and your opinion ONLY, the rest is just useless and is close to be libel, which is neither good for you as for FSR.
I think people are just fed up with pb and the tactics they use. I mean to say you love their software is one thing and I don't necessarily see anything terribly wrong with their format per-sé but it's the attitude of some people who come in here (obviously from their clique) and start saying that the users are uncivil and distasteful and that's like attacking those that have simply pointed out some evidence of pb's shenanigans. I'm a bit distressed over this myself. I know several people who just want their forums back that at the time of their creation there were actually different guidelines and the then-admins at pb found nothing wrong with those forums, so when changing the whole thing and becoming that strict, they could have offered those admins who created the forums to let them close off and lock down threads (even if it meant closing every single thread) and letting them have the security of knowing that it's still there. But pb doesn't want to work with people. They'd rather just sweep stuff under the rug and make enemies. So I think the other poster's points were that pb has shown how uncivil they can be when confronted with the proof that they do jump to conclusions and have all kinds of knee-jerk reactions and they could easily mend a lot of fences by coming down off their high horses and listen to forum members and admins.
Thank you for listening though. I appreciate your time.
Well, the forum I was a member of has subsequentially paid for a V-bulletin licence and found someone to host it privately, so I can't really comment on whether any other free services are better. They may well not be. All I know is that, if you use ProBoards, you do so at the risk of everything that was ever posted on the forum being irretrievably lost if the admins decide they don't like you.
Some background on my review might clear the air. My experience with software and support was excellent, but I'm kind of a geek. One of the members of my forum wanted to set up her own and I helped her do it (explaining things like "you should type the screen name you want where it says "screen name"). I encouraged my members to visit hers. She immediately banned me and apparently started encouraging her members to troll my forum (confirmed by one who later repented and apologized). One of her members reported this and Proboards contacted her to explain this was a TOS violation. She told them "I can do anything I want and to hell with you" and they deleted her forum. I can quote her words because she came back to my forum to accuse me of reporting her, and copy-pasted her conversation with Proboards into the post; she was outraged and expected me to demand that Proboards revive her forum, completely intact, including the bits about destroying mine (which she admitted to and said were "fair competition"). Her responses to Proboards and her remarks to me had the same tone and vocabulary as some of the comments about my review.
My review was based on that. My responses to comments here were based on that. Obviously, I don't know the circumstances of every forum that Proboards has ever deleted, and and it's certainly possible that some -- or even many -- circumstances don't fall into those two categories. I apologize for my part in the unpleasantness.
The software is easy enough to use that the other person learned how to turn her forum into a carbon copy of mine after she had banned me. Since she was not computer-knowledgable and, quite frankly, not too bright, I think this demonstrates that the software is extremely user-friendly.
Well, they seem to have handled your situation reasonably. However, judging by what others have said, they cannot be trusted to do so more generally.
Wow, miriamarbuckle if you toot PB's horn any more we'll all think you're sleeping with them. This entire discussion is moot anyway. Complaining about PB's TOS has not reinstated anyone's deleted forums. The fact that the hard work put into forums means nothing to PB should stand as a stark warning to anyone who uses them. You are far safer to host your forum somewhere else where the long arm of Patrick Clinger and his evil minions can't arbitrarily delete years of work. There are loads of free hosts out there so find one for your forum and forget about proboards.
This is a reply for Miri... I have commented here in this thread and I am one who has shared your exact experience. But where you had PB support, we had PB backhand. Situation. Ours was a private forum made years ago and the forum itself was geared towards an adult audience (no porn, no adult situations, but language) and we were doing fine but we did have the troll who would either use different aliases or send in some idiot to troll our forum and disrupt members. Naturally this made members and our admin angry. People reacted to it but all because we believed we were in the right to voice our disdain. Patrick Clinger sided in with the TROLL and like the one who messed with you and bragged about getting your forum messed with, so as it is with the stalker-troll-cyberbully who attacked our forum and had done so for years in any attempt to destroy it. Clinger totally sided in with the bully and caused a great deal of anguish, lost time, lost funds and in some cases, a health risk when the admin was actually losing sleep to try to meet a deadline that she NEVER agreed to, that the police NEVER agreed to. It was a number that Clinger just pulled out of thin air and would not relent despite the letters from the admin's local police authorities (we were documenting what we were instructed by an agent *to* document) and for that, we got punished because the stalker-troll got people all fed up and when they reacted, Clinger immediately jumped to conclusions and believed everything this stalker-troll told him. He was waaaay offbase to begin with and never acted civily towards the admin. He just barked orders and acted like he was being dragged through a catcus when it is us who suffers and deals with the harassment STILL to this day because of Clinger's biased actions.
So while you had a better situation in the end, we didn't. The admin offered to lock every last thread in the forum but Clinger is a brick wall and won't relent. If we had our forum back, the stalker wouldn't send all those emails with fake email headers gloating about the destruction of the forum. He basically helped the very culprit to perpetrate further abuse towards us.
Yeah I agree with you, Clinger sided with the bully and helped the bully in this case. Here is an explanationof how it's done and it's very important to read this as it describes what happened here when Clinger opted to choose sides and went on knee-jerk reactions rather than level-headed actions, and he and his staff are known to be hot-heads.
Cyberbullying by Proxy (Third Party Cyberharassment or Cyberbullying)
Often people who misuse the Internet to target others do it using accomplices (think trolls who spy on forums for the real cyberbully). These accomplices, unfortunately, are often unsuspecting but not always. They know they are communicating irate or provocative messages, but don’t realize that they are being manipulated by the real cyberharasser or cyberbully. That’s the beauty of this type of scheme. The attacker merely prods the issue by creating indignation or emotion on the part of others, and can then sit back and let others do their dirty work (i.e. Patcrick Clinger). Then, when legal action or other punitive actions are taken against the accomplice, the real attacker can claim that they never instigated anything and no one was acting on their behalf. They claim innocence and blame their accomplices, unwitting or not; their accomplices have no legal leg to stand on.
It’s brilliant and very powerful. It is also one of the most dangerous kinds of cyberharassment or cyberbullying. Children do this often using AOL, MSN, or another ISP as their “proxy” or accomplice. When they engage in a “notify” or “warning” war, they are using this method to get the ISP to view the victim as the provocateur. A notify or warning war is when one person provokes another until the victim lashes back. When they do, the real attacker clicks the warning or notify button on the text screen. This captures the communication and flags it for the ISP’s review. If the ISP finds that the communication violated their terms of service agreement (which most do), they may take action. Some accounts allow several warnings before formal action is taken, but the end result is the same. The ISP does the attacker’s dirty work when they close or suspend the real victim’s account for a terms of service violation. Most knowledgeable ISPs know this and are careful to see if the person being warned is really being set up.
ProBoards are not knowledgable nor even patient enough to even put any effort into understanding any of this. They can just clench up their fists and punch on that DESTROY button. They don't have to think when they can just ape around like that.
"Ours was a private forum made years ago and the forum itself was geared towards an adult audience (no porn, no adult situations, but language)."
^ Might be the reason you were 25(a)'d. Also, if there's someone trolling your forum, just kick/ban them - by IP if needed.
When it was first created, we had talked to the then-admin and everything was okay. As long as no names were made public, we were informed we were okay. People have a right to say what they feel, and the language on the forum was NO different than the language on PB's own support forum.
The reason why lots of people get the ax is because of Clinger's mood swings. This has been proven time and time again.
We did kick out the trolls. We banned the trolls. We did all that to keep them OUT! The troll's response? To keep reporting the forum until it was taken down. There. Happy now?
Pros: Pretty easy to set up
Cons: Nothing yet.
Summary: Works for what I have.
I am a bit concerned after reading all this, but what gets my attention is some of the other people posing about losing their forum. Not the same guy posting over and over again for a year or two. I literally taught myself windows 4 years ago, and I've been coding VB games for 2 of those years. Despite my late start, I was able to make a pretty nice looking place. Still I appreciated being able to look up all the codes and do it myself. As for the rules? They're giving me something for free, albeit paying for it with ads. I can understand keeping it clean, although I do have some friends that are a bit raunchy I try to keep a lid on things. We are a computer/real pinball forum after all.
Summary: Proboards is great if you're looking for a place to actually do something new, interesting, and family-safe.
Additional Comments: Any place not PG-13 is liable to get 25(a)'d, as well as any place that just yanks pics, and doesn't credit the author (among other things). It's meant for you to take the steering wheel to make sure rule-breakers are actually dealt with, regardless of the rule. Proboards is meant for the internet-responsible, the people that actually read (or have read) the Terms of Service. They're mostly common sense anyways.
It's also common sense for a service to listen to their customers and try not to be totally one-sided with a hammer they love to use to beat people out of their forums.
Removing someone just because a psycho has complained for years about a forum and Clinger is in a bad mood, doesn't cut it. The service is run by an idiot who thinks he knows everything. People have tried to reason with him.
Actual letter he sent someone:
This is a grace period, it is NOT for you to make your forum TOS. I will still remove it. You have no way to make it acceptable. I want to remove it.
So you see, even when people tried to make compromises, Clinger has always been a pathetic host. Always has been, always will.
Of course, he breaks his own rules all the time. Just FYI.
Summary: While it might all sound a little one-sided, I honestly don't know why anybody would choose to go elsewhere. I've yet to see a paid-for forum software with anything like the customisation options or power you'll find at ProBoards, nor have I found a free provider that can offer anywhere near the same level of support.
Aside from a few rule-breakers who don't want to admit liability for their own actions you won't find many people with genuine reason to be anything but delighted with the service ProBoards provide.
Summary: While it might all sound a little one-sided, I honestly don't know why anybody would choose to go elsewhere. I've yet to see a paid-for forum software with anything like the customisation options or power you'll find at ProBoards, nor have I found a free provider that can offer anywhere near the same level of support.
Aside from a few rule-breakers who don't want to admit liability for their own actions you won't find many people with genuine reason to be anything but delighted with the service ProBoards provide.
This whole thing Clinger has against so-called "rule breakers" is boigus. There are numerous documented cases (some still in letigation) whose admins have tried to work problems out, who've tried to reason with Clinger, all to no avail. Many forums haven't even breached TOS, only in what Clinger decided was "not his cup of tea" so rules in PB is basically whatever "mood" Clinger is in.
Hi, i just have a question! does anyone know if you can generate revenue from Proboards.com?
Old is Good Newer Release will be Better
The Newer Release, now in Beta Testing, is much BETTER making it truly SUPER!
I am looking forward to seeing the New Release, after known bugs have been fixed! Right now, it does have a few bugs because it is Beta Testing Mode... to uncover bugs, fix them, etc. before going Live with it.
It promises to be BETTER than ever! Easier to learn and get going than before too!
I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to start a Forum (of their choice) & have fun!
One of the features that really impresses me the most:
The new release does not have a message Preview button because it does not NEED one... you see it LIVE upon entry the way it will be... plus you can click BBCode to see the nitty-gritty codes & everything, change as desired, and click back to View to see it in it Final form! So much better than the typical Review, change, review procedure! It's great!
The absolute worst, run by crooks. Patrick Clinger (the owner) is the dirtiest piece of crap. He's a lying scumbag. Just do your research.
What a lot of amateur admins dont know is that theres no need to ever use PB. You can download free forum software like phpBB and run it on your own webhost for $5/month nowadays. Im sure anyone can afford that, and you wont be bound by their bullchit rules, and youll have control over your forum, not them. Takes 5 minutes to install, and its VERY simple.
Why would you EVER consider using them? DOnt you want control of YOUR forum? They will hold your forums database ransom so you cant ever leave, and they will even KEEP your forum running after you leave them and hand over the Admin account to someone else if the forum is making money for them. Real stand-up company, eh? Real webhosts wouldnt even think of doing that.
Take it from someone who knows, dont even waste your time. Youll be put through alot of bullshit.
Not to mention their forums have the most spam of any forum Ive been on. They dont even try to stop it.
Horrible company run by a complete jerkoff. Stay away.
After reading all the comments here about people that get their board deleted and the administrators doing nothing about it when the person tries to legitimately appeal, I will NOT be using ProBoards.
I have already had similar actions from FreeForums, who deleted my forum without any notification, and for no valid reason. I had NO copyright or illegal content, no nudity or adult stuff.
I have never used such a ridiculous site in my life. I made a good and attractive site with no adult content. No Sex, No Drugs, no Swearing, not even Bloody SMOKING! And they decide without any warning what so ever! And the reason associated with the stupid picture they stuck on my site address??
WITHOUT LIMITING ANY OTHER PROVISION OF THIS AGREEMENT, PROBOARDS RESERVES THE RIGHT TO, IN PROBOARDS' SOLE DISCRETION AND WITHOUT NOTICE OR LIABILITY, DENY USE OF THE WEBSITE AND/OR SERVICES TO ANY PERSON FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON AT ALL, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION FOR ANY BREACH OR SUSPECTED BREACH OF ANY REPRESENTATION, WARRANTY OR COVENANT CONTAINED IN THIS AGREEMENT, OR OF ANY APPLICABLE LAW OR REGULATION.
REALLY????? What the hell is that? Proboards SUCKS!! I do not advise that anyone uses a site where they delete your hard work for absolutely no reason. How pathetic the power hungry losers. People told me just to pay for a website but I was like no. Proboards is supposed to be decent. What a crock of freaks.
I will never ever recommend the forum host to anyone and those I know that have it will be leaving pro boards too.
Summary: One of the best free forum hosting I have found on the net yet which is also not a spam magnet. I have personally 3 and one has been "dead" yet still is up and still no spam.
Jesus! Spam much? PB is desperate.
Tell me about it - ProBoards saw all the negative, truthful posts and spammed 3 good 'reviews' that all happen to have the same date and time as each other. You're right, they're desperate.
Ugh please. Proboards, I love you but, its like every eiht seconds you don't want to load for me, and half the time it doesn't load for half the people on my fourm, at random times. I'll be trying to post something and the site won't load and give me a Oops! Internet Explorer could not connect to (insert name of site here) it's been happening more and more latley, though and Ill give them credit, they have been a reliale hosting site in the past, and they're much easier to use then anythign else I've been on, but if you site stops wokring constantly, I'm gonna have to go somewhere else
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